Petition for a second Referendum

Bowman · Post by **Bowman** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 4:08 pm

If you did not what the UK to leave the EU then join the over 3 million UK citizens that have signed the petition for a second referendum.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

regards Mike Turner

Geoff1131 · Post by **Geoff1131** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 4:16 pm

It looks like some people will stop at nothing to get their own way. Apparently the petition is under investigation for possible fraud.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 4:17 pm

This petition was created back on 24 May - reportedly by a Leave supporter (scroll halfway down for his claim) and has subsequently been "hijacked". While it may well get debated in Parliament, it will not be effective because it would require retroactive legislation - and that is not on.....

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 4:19 pm

I doubt if any Government of any persuasion would go against the people of the country who voted in a democratic referendum, it would be political suicide. There was always going to be a winner, that was the idea in the first place, the result can't be changed because one side isn't happy with the result.

Geoff1131 · Post by **Geoff1131** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 4:21 pm

I'm going to start a petition to have the Wednesday night Lotto draw rerun as I did not win so I would like it to be repeated every hour on the hour until my numbers come up.

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 4:26 pm

Geoff1131 wrote:I'm going to start a petition to have the Wednesday night Lotto draw rerun as I did not win so I would like it to be repeated every hour on the hour until my numbers come up.

I'm going to start a petition to change the 2 hour time difference with the UK because it's a real nuisance when trying to ring family on New Years Eve

brian24001 · Post by **brian24001** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 4:36 pm

The electoral commission are investigating fraud in the 'cry for help' petition. Was a joke from the start.

Dalartokat · Post by **Dalartokat** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 5:21 pm

It's just been announced on Sky TV that this petition has been struck off.

Just to add, that approx. 80,00 signatures have been added with suspicion and although Parliament will have to discuss, it's highly unlikely to go through and someone has asked for all this "madness" regarding Petitions for a second referendum to be stopped.

rocking · Post by **rocking** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 6:13 pm

Why don't those who wanted Remain to get over it. Will of people, we should all be standing together now. EU said we will sink, let's prove them wrong. Read about the TTIP what would happen to us if we stayed with that bunch of free loaders, not happened yet, but don't hold your breath.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 7:21 pm

Very interesting development?
I will not hold by breath.

Constitutionally the petition is valid for debate in parliament.
Politically it is unlikely.
However given that the government and indeed the opposition were both REMAIN then we will need to wait and see how parliament debate.
I believe it will be into the house of commons on Tuesday.

3 million signatures in 3 days is unprecedented.
If the 16-18 yr olds are allowed, as I feel they should, have a voice then absolutely I will give odds on for a REMAIN

You must be UK resident to sign or participate so the somewhat ridiculous responses above this post are excluded by virtue of lack of support.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 8:04 pm

According to ILR News and BBC online News, 80K/77K names have been removed, but they do not say the petition has been struck off, only that the petitions committee will consider whether it should go to debate - so many different versions, it's like the campaign itself - just who do you believe...?

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 8:08 pm

...And the TTIP - what is it? What is included in it? Who does it benefit?
I've read a few analyses of it........

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 8:11 pm

Waz
If you give 16-18 year old the vote then you must surely give them the other rights of an 18 year old ?
Drink in pubs
Drive a car
Buy a House
Allow them in betting shop
Donate Blood
Or even let them get tattoo's ?.... etc etc.

Or even if you lost the next vote lower it to 14 ...

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 8:15 pm

jofra wrote:According to ILR News and BBC online News, 80K/77K names have been removed, but they do not say the petition has been struck off, only that the petitions committee will consider whether it should go to debate - so many different versions, it's like the campaign itself - just who do you believe...?

Jofra, Yes it is almost like a restart.
I am not holding my breath BUT
The petition is firmly out for debate, I think on Tuesday next week. It is active now on facebook and it is getting 100,000 signatures per hour.
3.5 million signatures in 3days is exceptional. I am amazed at the support. Most never get past the 10,000 required to secure debate.
It is the youngster ( see face book) including the 16-18 yrs olds who are feeling angry about the matter.
Should they have been included in the vote. In my view certainly. Many are in their first jobs, at college and or want to travel to Europe freely for education, experience and to integrate. They feel justifiably European. They have been sold down the river by the non working, old school hopefuls.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 8:23 pm

turtle wrote:Waz
If you give 16-18 year old the vote then you must surely give them the other rights of an 18 year old ?
Drink in pubs
Drive a car
Buy a House
Allow them in betting shop
Donate Blood
Or even let them get tattoo's ?.... etc etc.

Or even if you lost the next vote lower it to 14 ...

NO not necessarily.
The 16 -18 yr olds are often working, in college and setting out on path to prosperity.
Why should they be excluded on a vote that effects them so directly. They are the future.
There is clear anger against being told by their older, or even much older experts.

Your list is hardly relevant to the issue. 14 yr olds are still at school, not in the UK economy and not quite ready to seek their own path in life.
Why do you deny these youngsters?
I invite you to provide a bit more substance to why.

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 8:29 pm

I simply refuse to debate your comments on this Waz......you have lost the plot boy.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 8:40 pm

That is a shame,
Tell that too, to the youngsters that are so cross about their exclusion
I think you can do it on Face book.

And so many voted for the sake of their children and grandchildren . How out of touch can you be.
I guess being offshore from the UK gives people a level of isolation from the motherland

lee666 · Post by **lee666** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 8:41 pm

Waz

I'll tell you what why don't we give pregnant women 2, 3, 4, 5 votes depending on how many babies they are carrying.

You are starting to get into the realms of silliness now.

I have watched so much about the outcome today and the Remain camp just can't get over it.

I am pretty sure tomorrow will bring a lot of answers we all wait to hear about, tomorrow morning at 05.39am it will have been 72 hours since David Dimbleby announced that the Leave campaign had won.

Now surely, you cannot expect to have too many answers in such a short time. I am pretty sure Cameron, Osbourne, Johnson, Gove and many others have worked tirelessly over the weekend. They will know the electorate will want answers.

I have just switched banks, that took 7 days/168 hours. Taking GB out of an organisation they have been part of for over 40 years may just take a little longer.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 8:52 pm

lee666 wrote:Waz

I'll tell you what why don't we give pregnant women 2, 3, 4, 5 votes depending on how many babies they are carrying.

You are starting to get into the realms of silliness now.

I have watched so much about the outcome today and the Remain camp just can't get over it.

I am pretty sure tomorrow will bring a lot of answers we all wait to hear about, tomorrow morning at 05.39am it will have been 72 hours since David Dimbleby announced that the Leave campaign had won.

Now surely, you cannot expect to have too many answers in such a short time. I am pretty sure Cameron, Osbourne, Johnson, Gove and many others have worked tirelessly over the weekend. They will know the electorate will want answers.

I have just switched banks, that took 7 days/168 hours. Taking GB out of an organisation they have been part of for over 40 years may just take a little longer.

Lee,
Why would a pregnant women be granted extra votes? Your comment has no reason.
I think 16 - 18 yr olds should because they are massively effected. I have said why.
Do you disagree or have a case why they are excluded? This sector is clearly cross about the result and the impact upon their aspirations.

You are correct that it is very early days and I accept that it is too early to expect answers.

I think the main concern now is not the BREXIT result but the clear melt down of UK politics and the very real risk of break up of the United Kingdom.
This unprecedented melt down will instill no confidence in the markets investors and indeed myself.

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 9:01 pm

Waz, take this scenario...
If a person is 16 on the 1st September (as I was) that person still has 1 full school year ahead of them and most have not even taken exams or even decided what career they may choose and you want to allow that person a vote ?.....no pressure on them then ?

lee666 · Post by **lee666** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 9:05 pm

Waz

No need for me to repeat the list above on a previous post re 16-18 yr olds, you're just trying to change the system to suit your needs.

Leave won, Remain lost so we need to get on with the future of our country, I'm a patient person and prepared to wait another 12 hours to see what comes forth. One thing I WILL NOT do is try to pre guess it all.

rocking · Post by **rocking** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 9:06 pm

Joffrey there is a very good article on the TTIP just put TTIP into safari or whichever search engine and up comes a list of stuff. If you go to article in the Guardian written by Lee Williams very interesting. I was put onto this article only a couple of days ago.

rocking · Post by **rocking** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 9:12 pm

Meant to say jofra my apologies. This is in relation to last post.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 9:38 pm

No problems, "Don't mind what you call me as long as you don't call me late for dinner...", and it was more of a rhetorical question - I've read since some time back; there has been some (IMO not nearly enough) misgivings, doubts and opposition to certain parts of this, not only here but also in various EU countries.....

rocking · Post by **rocking** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 9:47 pm

Pull up,on utube a fellow called Paulo Barnard called the truth about Brexit really informative. In subtitles on screen, not long, but do look

rocking · Post by **rocking** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 9:49 pm

Pull up,on utube a fellow called Paulo Barnard called the truth about Brexit really informative. In subtitles on screen, not long, but do look

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 9:54 pm

lee666 wrote:Waz

No need for me to repeat the list above on a previous post re 16-18 yr olds, you're just trying to change the system to suit your needs.

Leave won, Remain lost so we need to get on with the future of our country, I'm a patient person and prepared to wait another 12 hours to see what comes forth. One thing I WILL NOT do is try to pre guess it all.

Lee
Not my needs but I do have a view and opinion:
I think it fair that 16-18 yr olds should be given a vote on any matter that directly effects their future.
I have said and I confirm the UK will indeed leave the EU. I cannot make it any clearer.
Are you possibly doubting it yourself?
Certainly there are 16 million people that are disappointed. The young generation are very cross indeed and certainly the 16-18 yr olds feel they have been sold down the river by the non working and pensioners.
I enquire your view on that particular point and I invite your response.

Geoff1131 · Post by **Geoff1131** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 10:05 pm

waz can I ask you one question. Do you believe in Martians???????? I think I know the answer, Goodnight.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 10:11 pm

Rather interesting that there does not appear to be an age restriction on the Petition.

The 16-18 age group in the UK are certainly having a say having been excluded from the 1st referendum.
Social media...the domain of the young is alive with comment and activity. Good on them I say.
Still gathering momentum with 100,000 signatures steadily every hour.

I am dismayed that many will not give these youngsters the time of day or the space to breath and live their lives.
So many commentators voiced how BREXIT was for their children and Grandchildren. Perhaps they should have actually discussed the matter with them before selling them down the river.

I am not holding my breath ...still...for another vote. But certainly the BREXIT camp and indeed the forthcoming constitutional debate in parliament should take heed to the noises coming from our future leaders, soldiers, politicians, entertainers, entrepreneurs etc.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 10:28 pm

rocking wrote:Pull up,on utube a fellow called Paulo Barnard called the truth about Brexit really informative. In subtitles on screen, not long, but do look

On the whole, very good - but -
nit-picking; he refers to Brent oil supplies - Brent is no longer economically viable. Decommissioning of the Brent field is to be conducted over the coming decade.
He refers to big UK companies - Shell is an Anglo-Dutch multinational oil and gas company; Unilever is an Anglo-Dutch multinational consumer goods company.
He found GlaxoSmithKline and Vodafone; surely with a little more homework/research he could have found other successful purely-UK companies?
To convince the doubters, you have to build an impregnable case....

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 10:31 pm

waz-24-7 wrote:
lee666 wrote:Waz

No need for me to repeat the list above on a previous post re 16-18 yr olds, you're just trying to change the system to suit your needs.

Leave won, Remain lost so we need to get on with the future of our country, I'm a patient person and prepared to wait another 12 hours to see what comes forth. One thing I WILL NOT do is try to pre guess it all.
Lee
Not my needs but I do have a view and opinion:
I think it fair that 16-18 yr olds should be given a vote on any matter that directly effects their future.
I have said and I confirm the UK will indeed leave the EU. I cannot make it any clearer.
Are you possibly doubting it yourself?
Certainly there are 16 million people that are disappointed. The young generation are very cross indeed and certainly the 16-18 yr olds feel they have been sold down the river by the non working and pensioners.
I enquire your view on that particular point and I invite your response.

Would you clarify a point for me please , do you mean non working AND pensioners or non working pensioners

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 10:34 pm

As it says in the posting
the Non working and pensioners. This represents two groups.
I hope that clarifies.

lee666 · Post by **lee666** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 10:39 pm

elizabeth

If I had been speaking to you I would have started my post with 'elizabeth', I did so there is no need for me to answer you.

What I will clarify if you had not heard is that Leave won, Remain lost.

A democratic vote took place for ALL eligible people, 72% voted.

Get over it and move on, whatever you say, do or even think will not change it.

Goodnight .

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 10:48 pm

lee666 wrote:elizabeth

If I had been speaking to you I would have started my post with 'elizabeth', I did so there is no need for me to answer you.

What I will clarify if you had not heard is that Leave won, Remain lost.

A democratic vote took place for ALL eligible people, 72% voted.

Get over it and move on, whatever you say, do or even think will not change it.

Goodnight .

Lee, my question was meant for Waz, sorry

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 10:51 pm

There will not be a second referendum.

Accept the result.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 10:59 pm

Just looked at the petition.
Wow!!
gaining momentum
even at this time of day 100,000 signatures an hour.
3.5 million total

There is now a map showing where signatures are coming from. Certainly the spread is country wide and showing an almost blanket over the UK.
I am uncertain how this works now. The debate in parliament has been forced and should the petition hit say 18 million then I am forced to wonder.
Certainly the government will pay heed to the petition. Could it go to judicial review for consideration.
The very democracy that forced BREXIT may even over rule it What a thought!!

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 11:05 pm

PoshinDevon wrote:There will not be a second referendum.

Accept the result.

Accepted that BREXIT won the referendum. That is clear.
Also as clear. There is a sound coming from the people. In part the youngsters that were excluded from the referendum.
The very democracy that we all support will prevail I am certain of that.

The government are forced to debate the issue. The people are speaking again and possibly louder and with refreshed passion.

Is a second referendum constitutionally possible?
I am amazed to see such a ground swell of opinion. I am also pleased about it.

lee666 · Post by **lee666** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 11:06 pm

elizabeth

Phew no problem, over to you 'waz'.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 11:17 pm

lee666 wrote:elizabeth

Phew no problem, over to you 'waz'.

I believe it was answered in post 32.
But anyway.

The Non working and pensioners. Two distinct groups.

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 11:20 pm

Well, time for my beauty sleep now, Waz, why not try a cup of warm milk and a couple of paracetamol, you might feel better tomorrow. Night night.

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 11:41 pm

It will not happen.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 11:45 pm

WOW
Unprecedented
The petition has passed 3.5 million. 100,000 per hour is at maxed out apparently and it is getting this consistently
The telegraph reports it has crashed twice under the load

Democracy will prevail. The debate in parliament is now guaranteed constitutionally.
If the 16 - 18 yr olds get a vote. Odds on for the winner REMAIN.

Will parliament sanction another vote based on the social media pressure from youngsters.
Given that the government are REMAIN it could just be possible.
Who on this forum would have the honesty and be true to their heart, given the now clear facts that have emerged, reconsider their vote?
Those with children and or grandchildren should certainly listen to the youngsters who are clearly voicing their opinion on social media.

Certainly the sounds on the ground in the UK are encouraging to me. The political damage is already done but I have never seen such a ground swell of opinion as this.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 11:45 pm

PoshinDevon wrote:It will not happen.

OK and why please?

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Sun 26 Jun 2016 11:48 pm

As reported on many news channels, the signatories to this petition have been found to be false.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Mon 27 Jun 2016 12:03 am

PoshinDevon wrote:As reported on many news channels, the signatories to this petition have been found to be false.

Posh
I think you are mistaken
Apparently 77,000 names were indeed removed yesterday as fraudulent. Perhaps that is your reference. The petition is certainly up there. Have a look. View the map which shows a country wide ground swell of opinion.

The petition continues to attract 100,000 signatures per hour.
parliament will debate the subject under constitutional law.

In the possible event that the debate is productive and democratic.
Would you support 16-18 yr right to vote given the clear indication that youngsters feel very hard done by in BREXIT?

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Mon 27 Jun 2016 7:38 am

waz-24-7 wrote:
PoshinDevon wrote:As reported on many news channels, the signatories to this petition have been found to be false.
Posh
I think you are mistaken
Apparently 77,000 names were indeed removed yesterday as fraudulent. Perhaps that is your reference. The petition is certainly up there. Have a look. View the map which shows a country wide ground swell of opinion.

The petition continues to attract 100,000 signatures per hour.
parliament will debate the subject under constitutional law.

In the possible event that the debate is productive and democratic.
Would you support 16-18 yr right to vote given the clear indication that youngsters feel very hard done by in BREXIT?

Well unless it reaches 17,410,742 the leave vote is still greater....

Bad losers - would they have pushed for a re-run if they'd won - of course not - bad losers....

David · Post by **David** » Mon 27 Jun 2016 9:15 am

Was
You are making yourself look like an idiot please grow up.

topten · Post by **topten** » Mon 27 Jun 2016 9:49 am

Can I ask how many in this debate live full time in the TRNC ? and how many voted ? because you live in a part of the world that is NOT part of the EU. But do you find many items over there that as been produced in the EU ? If you do live over there on a full time basis do you think you have the right to debate the rights and wrongs of this referendum.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Mon 27 Jun 2016 1:32 pm

David wrote:Was
You are making yourself look like an idiot please grow up.

David
Thank you.
Your comments are empty of any content as on another debate topic this morning.

If and when you are able to enter the debate then please do.
You are invited to debate and present content that is useful as are most posters.

If you cannot then please go back to bed and go to sleep zzzzzzzzzzzz

Sorry everybody for wasting time here.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Mon 27 Jun 2016 1:37 pm

It is rather disconcerting to see reported from social media how the youngsters are continuing to reacting to BREXIT.
A rather disturbing comment is banding about.
and I quote ONLY
" If you are old and white....Please die"

What does that say about the voters who acted for their children and grandchildren. Misguided, misinformed, or plain out of touch.
Quite a legacy backfire possibly?

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