Nigel Farage resigns as UKIP leader

[jofra]

From another forum....

"I can today confirm with a 100% guarantee...................

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The £ is still as strong as ever...........................................

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It released my trolley exactly as it did before Thursday's Referendum..... Phewwwwwwwwwww!!!!!! "

[PoshinDevon]

Waz -24 -7

Fully appreciate your views and understand that you enjoy a good debate. However in your post (No 30) you said the Brexiters were reluctant to take up the helm, the UK was on the way to breaking up and the majority of those who voted leave have little interest or understanding of article 50. I posted a response which you have appeared to ignore. Not sure why.......maybe you missed it?

I think its possibly not worth while debating with you as you seem to be cherry picking what posts you respond to.

[turtle]

Elizabeth and RR.
You must not forget that 16 million people voted remain. It is very clear that the REMAIN camp are very much in a minority on this forum.
We too have a voice that needs to and is being heard.
I have indeed been subjected to the wrath and insults that you refer too. I am rather more thick skinned to take much notice and moderators have acted properly to the culprits who will remain nameless.

Robin, Yet again we harp back to the good old days. Leaving the EU in my opinion will certainly not make Britain great again based on the premise that we have only ourselves to answer too.

Today sterling falls yet again to now a 45 yr low. Is Britain great again? Certainly climbing out from the BREXIT pit we find ourselves in will be a challenge.
The great people that gave us BREXIT, Farage and Johnson have left the building.
Could you or someone give us all the plan for the next years to at least recover or even make us great.
It makes me rather cross that you still go on about how we are going to be great again when you have in part inflicted on us all such a catastrophe .
A self inflicted disaster. I predict that we will all see the price increase and pain that a weak currency delivers well before Christmas.
Your £1 ( 10 days ago) is now effectively worth 88 pence ( give or take a tiny bit)
Great news I think not.
What is tl today? certainly less than 1.4

Waz
It doesn't matter how many people voted Remain because they lost and in a democratic vote that's how it works the one with the most votes wins...it's simple really...not hard at all to understand.

Yes you have taken some stick over the last few weeks but you have dished it out too lets not forget.....I myself have been the subject of some of your not so nice comments so I will ask you again....Stop Bleating.

The reason things are moving slower than we all expected is a simple one.... that coward Cameron resigned instead of showing some bottle and holding the job to implement article 50 and help steer the country but instead (in your words) he left the building.
So that clown should shoulder some of your incessant moaning

[Lurucinali]

Listen to what Ken Clark had to say about the lunatics who want to take us out of the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... dership-c/

[turtle]

Clarke is a dangerously obsessive Euro fanatic and a p**s poor politician to boot.

[Ragged Robin]

waz: you might get a more positive response if you took the trouble to read the posts before you attack the posters.

I never referred to the "good old days", nor did I say anything about Britain being "great " again : I dont actually think it will in the way most people think of itl - personally it would settle for it being decent and honourable and less mercenary and compassionate to the less fortunate, regardless of their gender, age, race, religion etc As for your implications about me on another thread, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth, I did not attend a Public School nor have I ever served in Her Majesty's armed forces. In fact for one of my gender and generation the last two were not really an option. The younger generation have so many more opportunities than we had and yet they are still playing Oliver Twist and demanding more

I am well aware that Brexit may mean that I personally will be worse off, at least in the short term, maybe for the rest of my life, and I am already struggling to survive. However I support what is best for my country not for personal benefit like so many and is based on my personal experience and that of my colleagues and the small businesses we were involved in to make sense of the illogical , and badly drafted regulations that spurted out from the EU like .............well just use your imagination!

I am horrified at the malice that has been stirred in the British people by this referendum and its outcome and in a world where there are enough suffering and wars the actual and verbal violence which has resulted: and the hatred and jealousy, both by the young and their protectors for the older generation and native Brits for their co citizens of a different ethnic origin.

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[waz-24-7]

Posh
Missed the post sorry.
Without a helmsman referred to the BREXIT camp who should now stand forth and account. There remains no clear plan or strategy in place from the BREXIT camp. Neither Gove nor Leadsom have a clear plan. It is down to the current government to clear up the mess. Not fair or proper to either side in my view.
Scotland and N Ireland are firm remain areas and they seek to remain in the EU.
Scotland via a referendum. N Ireland via the unification of Ireland. These ae clear risks to the break up of the UK that were not there 10 days ago.

I am comparing and contrasting the situation before and after the BREXIT vote, The risks are clearly there.
Regarding immigration. It is without doubt that many people voted on the basis that BREXIT would address immigration concerns and their associated fear of the same. There have been several TV documentaries last few days ( Adrian Child in the Midlands BBC 1 last night) that support that view. Also almost all had no idea of how the process of leaving would happen. and many yet again chose to reminisce over how the UK was and has been.

The new PM will certainly have work cut out in the dealings with the EU. I do not expect the two BREXIT candidates to be successful. Ms May is odds on and my preferred option for obvious reasons.
When will article 50 be submitted. I suspect the delay will be good. The markets support that notion past few days

[waz-24-7]

waz: you might get a more positive response if you took the trouble to read the posts before you attack the posters.

I never referred to the "good old days", nor did I say anything about Britain being "great " again : I dont actually think it will in the way most people think of itl - personally it would settle for it being decent and honourable and less mercenary and compassionate to the less fortunate, regardless of their gender, age, race, religion etc As for your implications about me on another thread, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth, I did not attend a Public School nor have I ever served in Her Majesty's armed forces. In fact for one of my gender and generation the last two were not really an option. The younger generation have so many more opportunities than we had and yet they are still playing Oliver Twist and demanding more

I am well aware that Brexit may mean that I personally will be worse off, at least in the short term, maybe for the rest of my life, and I am already struggling to survive. However I support what is best for my country not for personal benefit like so many and is based on my personal experience and that of my colleagues and the small businesses we were involved in to make sense of the illogical , and badly drafted regulations that spurted out from the EU like .............well just use your imagination!

I am horrified at the malice that has been stirred in the British people by this referendum and its outcome and in a world where there are enough suffering and wars the actual and verbal violence which has resulted: and the hatred and jealousy, both by the young and their protectors for the older generation and native Brits for their co citizens of a different ethnic origin.

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Ragged Robin,
I have read your posts and responded to content and how I have perceived it accordingly.
It appears, but I may be wrong, that your experiences are of a UK that was in good shape some years ago. You are correct that the referendum has caused some serious divisions within the UK populous. The notion that Brexit won so everyone should now shut up and get on with it is not fair or proper . The 16 million people who want to remain in Europe have a voice and also the absolute right to lobby parliament for change.
The referendum result is accepted by myself. I have said it several times. The task now is to deal with the aftermath, the risks the strategy and how we can secure the best future for the UK. The BREXIT camp have no patent upon how this can be achieved.

I too am dismayed by the hatred that has emerged last few days within the UK. I am sorry to say that this was always on the cards given the clear xenophobic propaganda from Mr Farage and his close supporters peddled. I believe that the majority of people did not heed the signals strongly enough and the damage and fallout is now another issue for the UK to deal with. Such a shame in my view.

[waz-24-7]

Turtle said :
Waz
It doesn't matter how many people voted Remain because they lost and in a democratic vote that's how it works the one with the most votes wins...it's simple really...not hard at all to understand.

Yes you have taken some stick over the last few weeks but you have dished it out too lets not forget.....I myself have been the subject of some of your not so nice comments so I will ask you again....Stop Bleating.

The reason things are moving slower than we all expected is a simple one.... that coward Cameron resigned instead of showing some bottle and holding the job to implement article 50 and help steer the country but instead (in your words) he left the building.
So that clown should shoulder some of your incessant moaning

Turtle.
I have endeavoured to offer rational and clear comments to posts from yourself and others. Some of my comments may be blunt and too the point. No malice is intended.

Mr Cameron is not in any position to lead a recovery. His resignation was the correct thing to do given the fact that he wanted the country to remain in the EU. It is the BREXIT leaders that have deserted the ship in a time that they should be victorious and setting out their plan. fact is there is NO plan or strategy and they have definitely left the building .

I am not bleating as you say. I am offering facts and views illustrating how the UK is different day by day to how it was before BREXIT
Finally, it is grossly unfair to ignore the voice of the 16 million people who want to remain close to the EU. These people have a right to lobby parliament for change. That indeed is democracy.

[turtle]

[quote] Finally, it is grossly unfair to ignore the voice of the 16 million people who want to remain close to the EU. These people have a right to lobby parliament for change. That indeed is democracy.[quote]


So with that logic at the last general election The Tories gained 11.3m votes and Labour gained 9.3m votes are you saying labour should lobby for change ?

[waz-24-7]

Finally, it is grossly unfair to ignore the voice of the 16 million people who want to remain close to the EU. These people have a right to lobby parliament for change. That indeed is democracy.

So with that logic at the last general election The Tories gained 11.3m votes and Labour gained 9.3m votes are you saying labour should lobby for change ?

Labour voters and the labour party are in opposition and lobby and contest the government every week in the house of commons. So YES of course.

[jofra]

Unfortunately they are, through questions by MPs in Parliament, through the online "government petitions" site, through the various organisations such as 38 Degrees, Avaaz, Change, etc., although they unfortunately (disgustingly?) also try to meddle in foreign and international matters as well.... not to mention the rabble who indulge in "protest marches" about medical contracts, teachers' "rights", and any and all other such irreverant behaviour.....

[turtle]

Waz
You miss the point, Labour can not change a vote that has been arrived at democratically...so why should the Remain camp seek to change a democratic vote by the British majority..?

[Groucho]

We have arrived at Animal Farm where all votes are equal but remain votes are more valid than leave votes.....

[PoshinDevon]

Waz-24-7

The Brexit leaders have not deserted the building, I have explained my reasons previously.....two of them are fully involved in a leadership and PM election contest. They have both set out there ideas and thoughts should they be succesfull. The plans for the future will come together once the new PM is in place, their cabinet and ministerial team selected, article 50 submitted and negotiations start. Like all good plans it will need to be flexible to meet the challenges ahead. Despite what you may think, the Brexit leaders are still all around and even if none are successful in becoming PM I fully expect Gove, Johnson and Leadsom to be involved in forming any future plan.

When the referendum result was known the leader of the SNP started to raise omce again a scottish referendum to leave the EU. This has and always will be the main political aim of the SNP and will remain so. The SNP will take any opportunity to push this agenda.....its nothing new. Many of my scottish friends say this woman does not speak for all of Scotland despite her rhetoric. In actual fact she has made rather a fool of herself in my opinion by jumping onto the EU result to cow tow to the EU whilst looking to remain a part of it. Clearly that was never going to happen. She has to win a referendum on leaving the UK and for reasons I have stated this is not a foregone conclusion. Then Scotland would have to formally apply to join the EU. This is years away and things can change dramatically. If the scottish people vote again to remain part of the UK, it will be a bitter blow to the SNP and their aspirations and following will nosedive. Northern Ireland is different, but as long as there are two diverse communities with such different political views it is unlikely to happen. In fact both these arguments seem to have drifted down the political noise in the last week.

Whilst some may see immigration as the hot topic and reason to leave, many are more concerned about other areas. How the UK handles the immigration issue and how far up the scale of importance will be clearer once the new PM and team are in place.

I believe a lot of people from both the remain and leave camps will be very interested in developments over the next few months. Nothing will happen until post Sept when the new PM and their team are in place and article 50 is submitted, trigerring up to 2 years to negotiate and make firm plans for the UK exit from the EU.

Think its time for both sides to take a rest, sit back and await developments and in the case of those who voted to remain to stop predicting doom and gloom - it really is not all bad.

[waddo]

Posh says: "Think its time for both sides to take a rest, sit back and await developments and in the case of those who voted to remain to stop predicting doom and gloom - it really is not all bad."

I agree with that - apart from the last little bit of "it really is not all bad" and ask him to tell me and many others what is good about it now - not in an unpredictable future but right now, when the pound is once again falling and businesses are leaving the ship. I would suggest that the country has spun the wheel and is still waiting for it to stop and find out which hole the ball will fall into!

[PoshinDevon]

From the doom and gloom predicted, in my opinion it is not all bad.

I fully expected the pound to fall, money markets have never liked uncertainty. As for businesses deserting the UK, I think both sides could bring up articles etc to support there arguments about businesses leaving, staying or want to come to the UK. For instance there are many countries queuing up to do business with the UK. Only yesterday I read an article about Australia and New Zealand looking to increase trade with the UK.

It is a period of waiting till Sept, then things will start to move forward.... At what speed will be determined by who gets the PM job.

Time for the electorate to sit back, gather thoughts and debate again once things are clearer.

[Groucho]

"money markets have never liked uncertainty" but money marketeers love it!

There is a sure fire EU/UK Gov't/Bank of England conspiracy afoot to drive the gloom to the forefront to scare the bejeezuz out of the general public so that when they decide to put aside the vote and decide not to invoke Article 50 there will be a sigh of relief...

Brexit is not happening...

[Mowgli597]

"money markets have never liked uncertainty" but money marketeers love it!

There is a sure fire EU/UK Gov't/Bank of England conspiracy afoot to drive the gloom to the forefront to scare the bejeezuz out of the general public so that when they decide to put aside the vote and decide not to invoke Article 50 there will be a sigh of relief...

Brexit is not happening...

Evidence?

[waddo]

Evidence: How about a different scenario then to try to put it all into a perspective we can all understand:

The results of a recent (democratically held) UK referendum which asked the question: “Should the UK change to driving on the right hand side of the road to fit in with European standards?” resulted in a majority of 4% of voters saying “YES” we need to change over to Left Hand driving within the next two years! The whole country now awaits the elected leaders of the United Kingdom (Once they have been elected again) to decide if they will implement the wish of the people and change the UK’s road system to fit in with driving on the left!
However, the fall out of the countries decision has already seen a drop in the sale of right hand drive vehicles (as predicted by the RIGHT supporters), the heads of both the RAC and AA have resigned their positions, the minister for transport – himself a LEFT supporter - has resigned and the financial world is in uproar over the, only just released, cost of the change over to the left which may take up to 5 years to complete. In the meantime the truck drivers union has organized protests which have blocked major routes throughout the country and led to increases in food prices and rationing of fuel.
The winning LEFT party have said that the country has spoken and that people will soon get back to normal, however, they have asked for calm and requested that people only drive on the left or the right as road signs dictate – this to avoid further disruption and potential disasters. The RIGHT party have asked if all UK traffic lights will have to be relocated and will all major motorways be closed whilst the entry and exit points are remodeled.
Both agree that the referendum was a democratically held election!

[David]

Do some people really believe that a free and democratic vote can be changed, it would be totally against the constitution of the country and cannot be done. Imagine if a country with a despot of a leader had an election and the despot leader decided that he did not like the vote so he announced it null and void, can you imagine the outcry in the free world. Theresa May has stated that "Brexit means Brexit" and that there can be no second referendum and that that there can be no trying to get back in through the back door.

[scubadubaqueen]

Evidence: How about a different scenario then to try to put it all into a perspective we can all understand:

The results of a recent (democratically held) UK referendum which asked the question: “Should the UK change to driving on the right hand side of the road to fit in with European standards?” resulted in a majority of 4% of voters saying “YES” we need to change over to Left Hand driving within the next two years! The whole country now awaits the elected leaders of the United Kingdom (Once they have been elected again) to decide if they will implement the wish of the people and change the UK’s road system to fit in with driving on the left!
However, the fall out of the countries decision has already seen a drop in the sale of right hand drive vehicles (as predicted by the RIGHT supporters), the heads of both the RAC and AA have resigned their positions, the minister for transport – himself a LEFT supporter - has resigned and the financial world is in uproar over the, only just released, cost of the change over to the left which may take up to 5 years to complete. In the meantime the truck drivers union has organized protests which have blocked major routes throughout the country and led to increases in food prices and rationing of fuel.
The winning LEFT party have said that the country has spoken and that people will soon get back to normal, however, they have asked for calm and requested that people only drive on the left or the right as road signs dictate – this to avoid further disruption and potential disasters. The RIGHT party have asked if all UK traffic lights will have to be relocated and will all major motorways be closed whilst the entry and exit points are remodeled.
Both agree that the referendum was a democratically held election!

Well put, but could I just add that those that voted to drive on the Right in Left Hand Drive Cars, were told prior to the referendum that their cars would be half the price and that road tax would be abolished for them, but that immediately after the referendum, this information was declared a mistake!

[waddo]

David, No. I do not believe that a free and democratic vote can be changed! The referendum vote was in favor of Brexit and must stand as it is. However, like it or not, that does not mean that Brexit will happen it just means that it is what the people voted for. The people have given the government their view of what they want, again it does not mean that the Government are legally, duty nor honor bound to put it in place!

The country elected the Government, the Government asked the country what they wished to do about Brexit, the country replied - now it is down the the Government to make the decision of IN or OUT - that is the power that the country gave to the Government when the country voted them into power.

"Allegedly", the Government know more about running the country, what is good for it and what is bad for it, than the general public so the people must trust the Government that they voted into place. In the end it will be up to them! Theresa May may well have stated that "Brexit means Brexit" - hmmm, now just who was it that waved the paper over his head and said "Peace in our times?" - but she will be guided if not lead by all of the other MP's that make up the Government.

In the end I think it will come down to how dedicated to the good of the whole Nation the new Prime Minister is and whether or not they are prepared to accept the responsibility for whatever decision they make! Whichever decision they come to, they will not be able to please all of the people and for generations they will be known by all the failures that occur and never by any good they have done.

[waddo]

I did not post my "Right/Left hand drive example" as a joke and have never meant to take this thread in a different direction. Please do not pursue the example but stay with the body of the thread. Just keep it in mind when you are debating the IN/OUT scenario. Thanks.

[PoshinDevon]

Evidence: How about a different scenario then to try to put it all into a perspective we can all understand:

The results of a recent (democratically held) UK referendum which asked the question: “Should the UK change to driving on the right hand side of the road to fit in with European standards?” resulted in a majority of 4% of voters saying “YES” we need to change over to Left Hand driving within the next two years! The whole country now awaits the elected leaders of the United Kingdom (Once they have been elected again) to decide if they will implement the wish of the people and change the UK’s road system to fit in with driving on the left!
However, the fall out of the countries decision has already seen a drop in the sale of right hand drive vehicles (as predicted by the RIGHT supporters), the heads of both the RAC and AA have resigned their positions, the minister for transport – himself a LEFT supporter - has resigned and the financial world is in uproar over the, only just released, cost of the change over to the left which may take up to 5 years to complete. In the meantime the truck drivers union has organized protests which have blocked major routes throughout the country and led to increases in food prices and rationing of fuel.
The winning LEFT party have said that the country has spoken and that people will soon get back to normal, however, they have asked for calm and requested that people only drive on the left or the right as road signs dictate – this to avoid further disruption and potential disasters. The RIGHT party have asked if all UK traffic lights will have to be relocated and will all major motorways be closed whilst the entry and exit points are remodeled.
Both agree that the referendum was a democratically held election!

Sorry that has confused me....... obviously I am missing the point. I think I will concentrate on the real world.

The fall in the value of the pound is primarily down to uncertainty following the leave vote. Markets and uncertainty dont go together. Our imports will cost more as the pound does not buy as much, conversely our exports will cost less for those wanting to buy.....those going on holiday will see a hit on their buying power.....but they will still go on holiday. As always with the money markets, the only real winners will be the money men.

What ifs and pulling soundbites or articles to support each sides arguments will no doubt continue but for me its now time to wait, watch and see how things develop.

[Groucho]

The evidence is everywhere in the media - you only have to analyse the statements coming from all directions on the remain platform - if you can't read between the lines then don't blame me...

Brexit will not happen...

[waddo]

I just love it when people say that the only winners will be the money men - would it not make more sense to the general public to say that the only losers will be the general public?

The other phrase that gets a lot of use these days is "In the short term", what a wonderful phrase it is, for me at age 69 I can now expect to be one of the losers - in the short term - so I can happily see all my plans for the short term slowly melt away and the retirement that I worked for all my life fade quickly into the distance.

Wonderful, in particular as I probably have no "Long Term" left anyway, given that the average lifespan for UK is 81 years, can somebody please tell me how long is a "Short Term" please? Currently it is anywhere between 2.5 and 10 years, hmmm!!!! Wish I was only 55 then I would stand a chance of relaxing into the Long Term.

[Lurucinali]

Have people really become so selfish that they judge the membership of the EU on the grounds of their personal gain and exclude relevance to everybody else especially the younger generation and the country.
The pound has dropped 14% and still dropping despite 250 billion being made available by the bank of England. That's billion not million just in case some people cannot tell the difference.

[Groucho]

Have people really become so selfish that they judge the membership of the EU on the grounds of their personal gain and exclude relevance to everybody else especially the younger generation and the country.
The pound has dropped 14% and still dropping despite 250 billion being made available by the bank of England. That's billion not million just in case some people cannot tell the difference.

I don't know - have you?

Has the Bank Of England made use of this mythical £250b made available? err - No.... They don't want the picture to look too rosy - so they choose to make the situation look as dire as only they could....

We are to be cheated out of Brexit....

Although it is a democratic vote it is not binding on parliament and never was...

So they will choose to just set it aside and decide what they think is best for us and what we really wanted anyway because we were all misled.... which is really - really in our heart of hearts in the end we want to remain in the EU because they know what is best for us and we all are irrelevant in the decision making process.

[Lurucinali]

Groucho I think you could do well to ask advice from economist to explain it to you. Especially why the 250 billion was made available and what effect it has had on the markets. Its only fair isn't it?

[waz-24-7]

Waz-24-7

The Brexit leaders have not deserted the building, I have explained my reasons previously.....two of them are fully involved in a leadership and PM election contest. They have both set out there ideas and thoughts should they be succesfull. The plans for the future will come together once the new PM is in place, their cabinet and ministerial team selected, article 50 submitted and negotiations start. Like all good plans it will need to be flexible to meet the challenges ahead. Despite what you may think, the Brexit leaders are still all around and even if none are successful in becoming PM I fully expect Gove, Johnson and Leadsom to be involved in forming any future plan.

When the referendum result was known the leader of the SNP started to raise omce again a scottish referendum to leave the EU. This has and always will be the main political aim of the SNP and will remain so. The SNP will take any opportunity to push this agenda.....its nothing new. Many of my scottish friends say this woman does not speak for all of Scotland despite her rhetoric. In actual fact she has made rather a fool of herself in my opinion by jumping onto the EU result to cow tow to the EU whilst looking to remain a part of it. Clearly that was never going to happen. She has to win a referendum on leaving the UK and for reasons I have stated this is not a foregone conclusion. Then Scotland would have to formally apply to join the EU. This is years away and things can change dramatically. If the scottish people vote again to remain part of the UK, it will be a bitter blow to the SNP and their aspirations and following will nosedive. Northern Ireland is different, but as long as there are two diverse communities with such different political views it is unlikely to happen. In fact both these arguments seem to have drifted down the political noise in the last week.

Whilst some may see immigration as the hot topic and reason to leave, many are more concerned about other areas. How the UK handles the immigration issue and how far up the scale of importance will be clearer once the new PM and team are in place.

I believe a lot of people from both the remain and leave camps will be very interested in developments over the next few months. Nothing will happen until post Sept when the new PM and their team are in place and article 50 is submitted, trigerring up to 2 years to negotiate and make firm plans for the UK exit from the EU.

Think its time for both sides to take a rest, sit back and await developments and in the case of those who voted to remain to stop predicting doom and gloom - it really is not all bad.

Posh,
You are correct in that the Brexit team have two applicants for PM. You must be equally aware how the BREXIT team has been diminished and indeed the two biggest figureheads have left the building. This surely must be of concern to you. It is concerning to me upon how the majority camp are intent on moving forward and dealing with what they have created.
Certainly future developments are now critical. Markets and currencies are behaving differently. UK banks that feature inside the UK economy (RBS and Lloyds) are suffering whilst world player bank are doing a little better. Sterling is at rock bottom and price increases are now certain as new stocks of goods will be so much more expensive. Banks have today reported a significant reduction in demand for real estate loans. I expect house prices and construction to see a decline in next few weeks.

I do think that immigration and the discontent or fear of same has driven the BREXIT campaign. Most unfortunately neglected the economy and the hit upon ones pocket that will become apparent.
I think that the repercussions are only just starting and many are and will be shocked at the long term outcome

The threat to the break up of the UK is I think rather small but the risk is there. It was NOT there before BREXIT. It should not be ignored because it reflects confidence, and the UK economy.

[David]

The next pm Theresa May was not very strong on staying in the eu more of a closet leave voter

[mickhm]

Just another thought, now we have voted to leave can we return to imperial measurement? feet and inches, lb and oz, poles, perches and furlongs and cwt and proper tons. Now that really would screw the youngsters

[PoshinDevon]

Waz-24-7

Don't think you are reading my posts. Two be exit campaigners still very prominent, one be exit campaigner has not left the building, he is still an MP and very much still around. Of those 3 I expect at least 2 will be involved in some way with negotiations either as PM, in a ministerial post or such like. Farage left the building but he was never in it.... Not an MP and soon without at job.

Currencies fluctuate all the time, it is where they eventually settle that is important.... Just check on the level of the £ v the € at this time in 2014, 2015, just before the referendum, day of referendum result, two weeks in from referendum. Currencies fluctuate, this was no surprise.

Scotland ...... As long as the SNP hold sway in Scotland there aim is to leave the UK..., it was there before Brexit, it is there still. They will never give up on this... Even if we are in or out of the EU.

Think I have said all I can

[waz-24-7]

Waz-24-7

Don't think you are reading my posts. Two be exit campaigners still very prominent, one be exit campaigner has not left the building, he is still an MP and very much still around. Of those 3 I expect at least 2 will be involved in some way with negotiations either as PM, in a ministerial post or such like. Farage left the building but he was never in it.... Not an MP and soon without at job.

Currencies fluctuate all the time, it is where they eventually settle that is important.... Just check on the level of the £ v the € at this time in 2014, 2015, just before the referendum, day of referendum result, two weeks in from referendum. Currencies fluctuate, this was no surprise.

Scotland ...... As long as the SNP hold sway in Scotland there aim is to leave the UK..., it was there before Brexit, it is there still. They will never give up on this... Even if we are in or out of the EU.

Think I have said all I can

Sorry Posh but I think you are glossing over the issues that have emerged the last week or so.
I cannot buy that everything is hunky dory. Or even we have seen it before .The BREXIT circle of friends has ben irreparably damaged .
Sterling has crashed.The threat to the break up of the UK is far greater than it was last week.

Things are NOT better or even the same as they wee a few days ago.

[waz-24-7]

Just another thought, now we have voted to leave can we return to imperial measurement? feet and inches, lb and oz, poles, perches and furlongs and cwt and proper tons. Now that really would screw the youngsters

And of course the UK generally!!

[jofra]

While there has been much debate about trade throughout the whole campaign (and after), one point has been (IMO) mysteriously ignored by everyone - there have been the forbodings as to whether we will find opportunities to trade abroad, and there have been promising reports of the many countries who want to trade with us - do those who want to trade, only want to sell to us? What if there are none who want to buy? The silence regarding one-way trade has been deafening......

[Mowgli597]

Just another thought, now we have voted to leave can we return to imperial measurement? feet and inches, lb and oz, poles, perches and furlongs and cwt and proper tons. Now that really would screw the youngsters

Brilliant! We'll see the return of those exercise books we oldies used to have with all those strange but wonderful measures on the back.

And youngsters will have to learn up to the 12 times table - for surely the UK will want to go back to £ s d instead of this decimal abomination that was imposed upon it (no doubt by Europe via the back door!)

That'll sort out those bloody Johnny Foreigners (who, after all, start at Calais - though even that might be coming closer to home soon as "The Jungle" moves!)

[Ragged Robin]

Oh goody. Please can I buy petrol in gallons again? Ooops just realised I dont live in the UK. For most of us the problems will start if we have reunification and we end up living in the EU but not being citizens of it. Has anyone thought that one through?

[Ragged Robin]

I just love it when people say that the only winners will be the money men - would it not make more sense to the general public to say that the only losers will be the general public?

The other phrase that gets a lot of use these days is "In the short term", what a wonderful phrase it is, for me at age 69 I can now expect to be one of the losers - in the short term - so I can happily see all my plans for the short term slowly melt away and the retirement that I worked for all my life fade quickly into the distance.

Wonderful, in particular as I probably have no "Long Term" left anyway, given that the average lifespan for UK is 81 years, can somebody please tell me how long is a "Short Term" please? Currently it is anywhere between 2.5 and 10 years, hmmm!!!! Wish I was only 55 then I would stand a chance of relaxing into the Long Term.

Rome was not built in a day, nor will Britain be re-built in a day. Two years is the absolute minimum and considering the necessity for electing at least one party leader , and in mho the probability of a general election, not to mention the obstacles to progress placed in the way by those who will not accept defeat gracefully, much longer.

For those of Waddo and my generation eventual recovery will be too late, and particularly for those of us who have already lost savings and are struggling in ill health to manage on a pension our hopes of a comfortable retirement are already shattered and the future is bleak.

This rather makes a nonsense of the suggestions that the success of the "leave" vote was due to expat retirees for their personal benefit and with no
concern for future generations. In fact the reverse is the case - it makes such suggestions cruel and perverse an apology is overdue.

[jofra]

Gives real meaning to the saying, "Came into this life with nothing, and will leave with nothing..."
And as for "long-term", an elderly friend was buying some item and the salesman mentioned the five-year guarantee.
"Oh good," said my friend, "a lifetime guarantee!"
"No," protested the salesman, "Only five years!"
"For me," said my friend, "that probably is my lifetime!"

[Ragged Robin]

A salesman was trying to interest an elderly gentleman in an investment which would produce a high return after two years ( ) and was disappointed the EG was not interested. "Look sonny, said the EG, at my age I dont even buy green bananas"
Perhaps we should transfer this and previous post to "jokes". Come to think of it half this thread could go there

[waz-24-7]

I started off with nothing


I still have most of it left

[mickhm]

So true Waz so true

[jofra]

.....Perhaps we should transfer this and previous post to "jokes".......

Actually, the "elderly friend" was my older brother, and it genuinely occurred in Currys - I just didn't want to indicate my age!

[Groucho]

Groucho I think you could do well to ask advice from economist to explain it to you. Especially why the 250 billion was made available and what effect it has had on the markets. Its only fair isn't it?

I don't need an economist to explain how quantitative easing (printing money we don't have) and feeding it into the supply chain does not improve our liquidity - it's smoke and mirrors - and has been shown to be a negative force in the financial world order.

[Lurucinali]

perhaps this fellow can help you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI