Kibtec obcene hike in prices

[thornaby]

Accepting that prices will rise as a result of things outside of their control, but why are hotels and government institutions Getting away without paying their bills?

[dap2410]

Accepting that prices will rise as a result of things outside of their control, but why are hotels and government institutions Getting away without paying their bills?

Because the can!!

[Philoz]

How much has it gone up ?

[jen]

20%.

[muffin1]

why is it always the law abiding citizens who get penalised? They should block the power supplies to all the big organisations who owe obscene amounts of money and force them to pay what they legally owe,

[sophie]

Why would they or the Government want to penalise the large companies and hotels for non payment of electricity bills. Its these very people who take all the millions in back handers. The longer I live here the less shocked I am by the sheer unadulterated corruption there is. The TRNC is totally bankrupt so where does all the money come from to built all these edifies. If they were not corrupt then money would be spent on infrastructure, but there is NO glory or money to be made from infrastructure, so we minions who are just like ants to be trodden on are the ones who suffer.

[Mowgli597]

........, The longer I live here the less shocked I am by the sheer unadulterated corruption there is.

Good job we don't live in the most corrupt place on Earth

[trooper]

Really can't think why we are leaving.....along with a great many others.

answers on a postcard please.

[Hedge-fund]

Really can't think why we are leaving.....along with a great many others.

answers on a postcard please.

Welcome back to the UK where energy customers are ripped off to the tune of £6bn per year

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1927315/t ... 00-a-year/

Energy prices in TRNC are going up because oil prices are going up and inflation is touching 10%

[WotNoDeeds]

ʅɐǝʇs oʇ ǝɔuǝɔᴉʅ ʇuǝɯuɹǝʌoƃ ɐ ǝʌɐɥ ʞǝʇqᴉꓘ -



↶whooops now the right way up↷
Kibtek have a government licence to steal

[trooper]

Hedge Fund; Certainly not returning to the UK. There are other places where one can live in a civilised fashion without being ripped off by what passes for local and national government. Can't wait. Given it 13 years so time to go. Can't believe I've survived that long on these roads with possibly the worst drivers I've seen for many years. But that's another story.

[Hedge-fund]

Agree 100% about the drivers - with drunken expats adding to the fun at night.........best of luck with the move and for the future

[Gozoa]

What is the price per KW right now?

[Bob 4]

Given the fact that prices are bound to go up, the YTL is at an all time low against the USD and oil prices are going up. What sort of increase were you expecting. Has any one checked or compared these prices against the UK prices?

[Bowman]

Robert,

The YTL has not gone up or down, it was replaced in 2005. We now have the TRY or TL

[kibsolar1999]

the price for 1 kWh is now lower as it was before the TL dropped...
and btw, kibtek have no licence to steal, they are obliged (by law) not to make any profit.

[Munchkin]

no licence to steal, they are obliged (by law) not to make any profit.

Dream on there are no laws here worth the paper there written on Kibtek do exactly what they like and the government are powerless or colluding with them to get as much out of every person by whatever means .

[Johnny Lee]

I feel it is excellent value for money. Being able to switch something on as you need it and using as much or as little as you desire. We were forced to live with out it for 15 months , and to supply our villa at the time and run our generator would have been around 2000 TL per week. (I know we tried it for 1 week)

Also as some one pointed out Lira weak etc. etc. What choice do Kibtec have ?? Surely Petrol and Diesel have gone up .

[susiesusie]

Just got our bill . On tarrif alone using same useage on average 25% through all the rates . Actual bill was %33more due to increased useage due to continued poor weather . Which kicked in the higher rate of .75 . Ouch !!

[fatouche]

Johnny Lee, have you ever wondered how those who live on the minimum wage manage? 1800 TL a month doesn't go very far, and Kibtek prices certainly do NOT represent excellent value for money for those people! Did you also know that unscrupulous Kibtek employees sometimes add a friend or neighbour's bill to some unsuspecting mug who coughs up the money saying "It's Cyprus, what can I do about it?" .

[Barbieb]

Just got our bill, 45% more then last month ouch, everything going off, remember this happening one January a few years ago, we have not used that much more power, they need to find the 13th pay packet from somewhere, sadly at our expense!!!!

[Bowman]

I do not understand how some of the figure have been calculated.

As none of the bands have increased by 25% then there is no way the average can be more than 25%

To calculate the price rise as a percentage you use the following:-

((100 / old price)* new price)-100


The price bands were published in CT (7th. Jan. 2017).

old new
0-250 42 k 52 k 10 k 23.8%
251-500 49 k 60 k 11 k 22.5%
501-750 55 k 67 k 12 k 21.8%
751+ 60 k 75 k 15 k 24.9%

The fixed charge of 16.95 TL has remained unchanged.

[waddo]

Bowman - and all - I copy my post of the 6th of Jan on another thread, which may help to explain the rise in electricity bills:

Dropped into Kibtek Girne this morning - to pay my bill because I like to get out and about - and have the answer to my question. It is very complex but to keep it simple - I hope - it seems that Kibtek have increased the KW unit price of electricity in two ways. If you look at your bill for November you will find that under the Fiyat (Price) column the prices are 0.42, 0.49, 0.55, 0.60, 0.42, 0.49, 0.55, & 0.60 descending. Now look at your bill for December and the same column shows the prices as 0.42, 0.49, 0.55, 0.60, 0.52, 0.60, 0.67 & 0.75 descending.

This shows a small increase in prices. However, the big increase may have missed your eye!!!

On your November bill (over a period of 30 days - more or less days alters the figure) you will have been charged 0.42 per KW at an average maximum of 250 Kws, anything over that amount (250 Kw) takes you into the next price of 0.49 per KW and so on for each price band.

Here is the change - from December onwards, as well as the increase in price per KW, you will now only pay for the first Maximum of 125 Kws at the first price. Anything used after 125 Kws will be charged at the next price.

It all made sense when I found that in November I used 368 Kws at a total cost of 208.04TL whilst in December I used 354 Kws (14 Kws less) at a total cost of 221.73TL.

All in all is been a good and fun exercise and in round terms it means that my electric charge has risen from an "average" (taking whole bills in account) of 0.565TL per KW to the new figure of 0.626TL per KW. I look forward to my next bill - lol.

[Johnny Lee]

Fatouche, try making it yourself you will have a shock. What can Kibtec do about rising oil costs due to Dollar etc ????

[fatouche]

No thanks; no need as we now live in France where electdicity and food are actually cheaper.
Kibtek are nothing short of a band of thieves; may I refer you to the thread on faulty metres shere you'll read that customers who have already paid Oct/Nov/Dec bills are being charged again. The money for 13th pay day has to be recouped from somewhere!

[waddo]

Don't understand what the problem is? Have a look at this: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics ... _(EUR).png

Then do a little bit of calculations and currency exchange from Euro to Turkish Lira. Electricity prices in TRNC appear to be lower than in France and most definitely lower than in the UK - per KW - so what is all the fuss about. Is it that electricity has been cheaper here and now prices have risen because of costs in production or is it that people feel they are being robbed to pay another bill for someone else?

For myself - if the costs rise then that is part of life and I could not expect to pay the same for things now as I paid in 1996 - prices rise, worldwide, if you don't plan for it then you can't complain when it happens. Never forget that it affects everyone and not just a small group of people.

[Johnny Lee]

Fatouche, I am sure many of us have had and still have times when paying bills is difficult. Also please note I have been at the blunt end of poverty here in my efforts to assist Ismail's family.

But my post stated the excellent value for money that the benefit of mains electricity. is. Try making it yourself. It is something that we all take for granted. Like I say live with out it for 15 months you will realise. There always seems to be constant Kibtec bashing. Well I for one thank them for keeping the mains on most of the time during December the worst weather that we have ever experienced here. I wish I knew how to upload a video taken Christmas Eve.

I remember when we first moved here some Richard Cranium saying to me you will have a power cut Xmas lunchtime, I guarantee it , they do it to stop us cooking, just to the expats. I said well how do they selectively single us out ? I explained to him maybe we Expats are putting more pressure on the system at Xmas. Anyway I have still not seen the famous Xmas lunch Power cut.

What can Kibtec do ? How can they control Diesel prices ? I have just been to 19 Lt. water Evsu, now up to 6 that is exactly double in 10 years. We have dreadful inflation due to T.L. etc.

[Bob 4]

Unfortunately Kibtek have a monopoly here and no amount of moaning will change things. If you want to do something positive, have a good serious look at your individual consumption and cut back. We lived here on builders electric (three times the lowest rate) for approx 6 years and you can always cut back on your consumption.

[sophie]

We tried cutting back electrical consumption to save money and have ended up with black mould on ceiling and walls in two bedrooms. Has never happened before in 11 years I know we are not the only ones and on days like we have had the last few, we have all doors and windows open in order to circulate air. When they are closed, we then switch inverter aircon on to dry mode. More electrical consumption!

[kibsolar1999]

oh yes, fatouche has the opinion that every penny above minimum wage must be sufficient, as a 13th wage is impudent and find nuclear power the best way to produce electricity.....?
and sophie may claim that kibtek should be resonsible for the mould in uninsulated homes....?

monopoly or not, to offer kWh prices below 13-15 eurocent is in cyprus nearly impossible... but, instead of getting more info, kibtek bashing is much easier...

maybe we do a referendum, set the prices as we want and call it democracy.

i heard it works...

waddo, the tariffs are necessary to encourage people to save electricity. not necessarily a price hike.

[waddo]

kibsolar1999, so if the tariffs have been changed to encourage people to save electricity - presumably because the current (not meant as a pun) providers have either insufficient or inadequate equipment to meet current and perceived demand - when the supply from Turkey arrives and this sort of electricity saving is no longer required, will the tariffs change back again? Or, because the electricity from Turkey - already being spoken about to be less than half the price of TRNC supplied electricity - be charged at the same rate with a resultant increase in suppliers profit margin?

Not that I think the suppliers are devious, I just have a strange and suspicious mindset - lol. Whichever it is, I live here and pay to do so, if I did not want to do either then I would seek life elsewhere, much better than moaning about it!

Oh, and the answer to the robbery of 12,000. Euros for solar electrical provision was a price of 8 years ago and I am aware that prices have gone down considerably - it was also a quote from the South at that time. I still support solar!!

[Groucho]

It seems quite ridiculous that the project to buy in power from Turkey is even on the cards given the fact that a solar farm the size of 39 football pitches can supply enough electricity for 1,000,000 consumers with European levels of consumption....

The Maesoria plain is particularly suitable given the flat landscape, levels of sunshine and marshy status of some of it....

Other countries with less sunshine are doing it and it doesn't require electricity cables under the sea - God only knows how that could go wrong!

[kibsolar1999]

waddo and groucho,
the change in tariffs, eg, down from 250 to 125 units or charge 75 kurus per unit + vat for higher use has practical reasons to lower the demand, of course and also is a political thing... eg, to reduce co2 emissions per head.
the electric demand per head in TRNC is much higher as in europe, mainly, of course, because of cooling and heating with electricity = aircons.

but, people build more and more... and install more and more.... eg, an electric 8 kW water heater.... or, eg, the 4th aircon to a single phase home...which is illegal. does somebody care?
cyprus is an off grid system. all max and mins has to be supplied and it often is a guessing how much and where you need it....
you need the scada control system installed to avoid the worse = electricity straight into the ground when demand goes down or black outs because of high demand.
bigger solar power has to be integrated into this system as well, but every cloud, or cloudy wheather conditions, can become a big problem.
solar goes on-off-on...., but power stations simply can not be swiched on-off-on every minute or second.
so, a line from turkey is not only required to catch up with demands, it is also required to install more solar power... turkey would act as a buffer for cyprus. every european country has lines to its neighbours.... the Continental Synchronous Area, turkey is connected since april 2015 as well...

and, of course, who pays for solar or any other renewable energies? at the moment it is private financed. either for PV net metering systems, or commercials who both want to save money.
so, kibtek supplies the network, the maintenance and so on... but the customer is lost as he pays only the standing charge and little more...
also this is a political thing. and will end one day, sure. net metering was introduced only because kibtek has no money ( and gets no money allocated from gov ( see below) for this) to pay for a feed in tariff, as it is practice in most parts of europe.

if kibtek would install solar power themselves (or would buy, as a feed in tariff from private companies or from private people) , then an additional "renewable energy charge" would come to your bill.
in germany they pay 6 eurocents per kWh (24 kurus) just for renewables.... not needed in TRNC for now ?, but for a start say, 2,5 euro cent = 10 kurus?
so, kibtek and gov bashing would surely continue.

well, a 8 years ago the installation of a solar power system which feeds the grid was illegal anyway.
do NOT let a south company install a solar system..... they can not get any permissions to install legally......