Romanian Crime Academy .

[Johnny Lee]

When will the U.K. wake up? I was just reading about the 6 member gang of Romanian young men, from the West Midlands who were specially trained in Crime camp in Romania to come to the UK and carry out at least 3 million pound worth of Jewellry thefts.

No doubt they are on benefits. Now I suppose we have to pay thousands each week to keep them locked up. Unbelievable.

[Lodger]

When will the U.K. wake up? I was just reading about the 6 member gang of Romanian young men, from the West Midlands who were specially trained in Crime camp in Romania to come to the UK and carry out at least 3 million pound worth of Jewellry thefts.

No doubt they are on benefits. Now I suppose we have to pay thousands each week to keep them locked up. Unbelievable.

Never a truer word spoken.

Think about what has been said then watch the film "I,Daniel Blake" it put the UK in perspective.

[fatouche]

Johnylee, they weren't trained specifically to target Britain; they committed offences in France, Belgium and Germany too.

[jacob]

So that makes it ok then .....

[johnerebus]

No doubt they are on benefits. Now I suppose we have to pay thousands each week to keep them locked up. Unbelievable.[/quote]

"No doubt they are on benefits." Is this fact or opinion please? And if they are locked up then they will not receive benefits will they?

[Johnny Lee]

I think it stands about a 99 .9% chance they are on benefits, please note I did not mention them claiming benefits whilst locked up ? I said the cost to the country of keeping them locked up. Do you know how much it costs to house a prisoner. ?

But actually they will have lots and lots of benefits whilst locked up, Good food, warmth, free accommodation, gym facilities ,health care, no bills to pay, etc. etc. etc. all paid for by the UK taxpayer.

[Dalartokat]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... raids.html


This link might make it a bit clearer, but not saying it's the correct one, depends upon where you access news.

[Johnny Lee]

Thank You for putting the link on, I read it in the Express and Star on line.

A few years ago one of my friends won 3.4 million on the UK lotto. They went for no publicity. They lived in a fairly remote farmhouse, a few weeks later they had threats on their lives , ransom demands and a few months of hell. when the police got the guys it was two Romanian coach drivers camping near by and they were armed.

This was about 12 years ago.

[erol]

Disgraceful. How are our British criminal gangs supposed to survive when we bring in immigrant ones from other countries ? No doubt these immigrant criminal gang members have been given free luxury housing whilst in the UK to rob us blind, and I bet they are sleeping with our women as well. The quicker we tar all people of a given nationality because some of them engage in criminal activity the better. Who has ever heard of British criminal gangs operating in foreign countries ?

I had a friend who 18 years ago had someone do something bad to them and you know what, the person who did the bad thing to them was NOT BRITISH ! What more needs to be said ?

[desih]

Erol, brilliant comment and so very true.

[MVP]

A friend of mine who was a senior policeman said most of the police were in favour of Brexit because of the disproportionate number of eastern Europeans in police custody - he said shoplifters were mainly Romanian or Bulgarian, many of which had been caught after being less than 24 hours in the UK.

[erol]

A friend of mine who was a senior policeman said most of the police were in favour of Brexit because of the disproportionate number of eastern Europeans in police custody - he said shoplifters were mainly Romanian or Bulgarian, many of which had been caught after being less than 24 hours in the UK.

And do you or your Policeman friend imagine that after Brexit no Romanian or Bulgarian criminals will be allowed to visit the UK or to commit crimes there using a tourist entry to the UK ? Or are you / he imagining that after Brexit we will simply refuse to let any Romanians or Bulgarians enter the UK at all, even as tourists ? If we did such I suspect it may be less than effective anyway because I suspect that such criminals would even stoop as low as using stolen or forged documents to enter the UK in order to commit crimes. How Brexit will stop that I am not so sure ?

A friend of mine who is a senior Policeman in Spain says that most of the drug dealing committed in his area is controlled by British Criminals and he looks forward to Brexit in the hope that post brexit Spain will ban any British citizens from entering Spain at all and thus reduce drug dealing in his area, making his job so much easier for him as a result.

A friend of mine who is a senior Policeman in Corby said the majority of crime in Corby is run by Scottish criminal gangs. He hopes that Brexit will lead to Scotland leaving the UK so we can then ban any Scots from entering the UK at all, leading to a reduction in crime in Corby.

I heard that there was a secret Italian based criminal fraternity that operates world wide including in the UK. So we should probably add Italians to the list of those who should not be allowed entry into the UK , even as tourists, because the best way of dealing with crime is through immigration control. Once we have banned all the criminal nationalities from entering the UK we probably will not even need a police force or criminal Justice system at all. Just think of the money we could save !

I have also heard that there are such things as Turkish criminal gangs operating in the UK. So best ban any entry into the UK by Turkish nationals as well (along with the Romanians, Bulgarians, Italians etc etc etc). Of course Turkey may choose to reciprocate, deciding in turn to not let British nationals into Turkey (or TRNC for that matter) but such would be a small price to pay in exchange for making the UK safe again, I am sure we can all agree.

[Keithcaley]

Eeee, you are a tease !

[Johnny Lee]

I wonder now how much it will cost the UK taxpayer to keep this no good scum in prison, How many millions ? Money that could go to our NHS or our homeless veterans etc. I would have thought the best solution would be to tattoo thief across their forehead and deport them. What possible good are they to us ? Why do we want them in the UK ? What possible good or value can they ever bring to our society ?

I suppose they could open a dodgy car wash.

[erol]

I wonder now how much it will cost the UK taxpayer to keep this no good scum in prison, How many millions ? Money that could go to our NHS or our homeless veterans etc. I would have thought the best solution would be to tattoo thief across their forehead and deport them. What possible good are they to us ? Why do we want them in the UK ? What possible good or value can they ever bring to our society ?

I suppose they could open a dodgy car wash.

You could say the same in regards to British criminals as well. You could say that since Australia is now a country and no longer a penal colony we can not deport British criminals but we can deport the foreign ones instead of locking them up and we could indeed do that. The reason we do not is pretty obvious to me. If you were to just deport foreign criminals if they are caught, rather than lock them up and then deport them, you would make the UK just about the most attractive place in the world for foreign criminals to try their luck. Which is not something presumably you are trying to achieve ?

[wanderer]

English exports and even one from down the road in Tipton on canal johnny
he had to get out of jail because of all the Romanians
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-30724186
Scots don't export that well that with all that red hair and freckles

[jacob]

Erol, where does your hatred for Britain come from, didn't you get a tin of sweets when you were little

[erol]

Erol, where does your hatred for Britain come from, didn't you get a tin of sweets when you were little

You may as well ask 'when did I stop beating my wife ?' - another example of a loaded question, a classic technique frequently used by people who can offer no real argument. I have never beaten my wife and I do not hate Britain.

What I do have an aversion to is illogical woolly thinking that does not stand scrutiny, especially when it is used as primarily as a means of trying to support and reinforce people's pre held prejudices.

You do not make a country safer by seeking to prohibit entry into that country of whole nationalities of people regardless of if they are or are not criminals because some people of that nationality commit crimes. You make a country safer by seeking to effectively prohibit entry of known criminals into the country. Brexit will not stop or allow the UK to stop the entry of known criminals into the UK any more effectively than it does so whilst within the EU and this is obviously the case as far as I am concerned. Before Romanians and Bulgarians (or Italians for that matter) had the automatic right to move to, live and work in the UK, there were Romanian and Bulgarian (and Italian) criminals operating in the UK. After Brexit there will still be such. There are Turkish criminal gangs that operate in the UK and Turkish nationals do not have any automatic rights to move to, live and work in the UK. Argue for more effective means of stopping know criminals from entering the UK and you will hear no argument from me. Argue that all people of a given nationality should be prohibited from entering the UK at all, regardless of if they are or are not criminals, as the only way to make the UK safe from foreign criminals operating in the UK and I will call you out for such arguments, for they are nonsense.

[silverfir]

jacob, yes he did, but they were bitter lemons I think

[Johnny Lee]

I think if I published a photo of a Black car Erol would argue it was Red. He obviously does not keep up to date with the UK news or the Police documentary's when the faces are blanked out but you still hear the accents and see the colour of the hands.

Of course we have our own criminals, every country does , but importing more by the thousands and then giving them free legal aid and paying millions to keep them in cushy prisons is a little bit silly in my book. Then of course if these people have brought family's and children with them, are we then supporting the families whilst they are inside.

[turtle]

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
― William F. Buckley Jr.

[fatouche]

What colour are the hands of Romanians Johnny Lee? Do they carry distinguishing marks? You're unbelievably xenophobic and racist.

[erol]

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
― William F. Buckley Jr.

A couple more William F. Buckley quotes for you Turtle

"Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi, or I'll nail you in the goddamn face and you'll stay plastered."

To Gore Vidal in live televised debate which you can view here

"The central question that emerges—and it is not a parliamentary question or a question that is answered by merely consulting a catalog of the rights of American citizens, born Equal—is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes—the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race."

In an editorial of the magazine "National Review" that he founded.

and here is one in which I actually largely agree with him, just to show I am not closed to ideas I think have merit, whoever expresses them.

"The cost of the drug war is many times more painful, in all its manifestations, than would be the licensing of drugs combined with intensive education of non-users and intensive education designed to warn those who experiment with drugs."

Finally here is a link to a televised debate between William F. Buckley and Noam Chomsky (who he also threatens, some what jokingly, to 'smash you (Chomsky) in the god dam face'

[niceone]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-u ... u-36745584

Of those 2.9 million EU nationals living in the UK, about 2.15 million are working.

Those people working are paying in to our economy and generally doing the low paid jobs that our indigenous population who won't get off their backsides and work, I know this for a fact, my sister works in HR in a factory, 75% of the employees are Polish, 10% other Eastern Europeans and only 5% British, they try to employ more Brits but most of the people who go for interviews say I don't want the job I have to go for interviews to get my benefits but I am better off not working. They pay more than the minimum wage btw. Don't believe everything you read in the gutter press, in reality the biggest drain on our country is our own people who see living off the state without ever paying in is a right.
DWP statistics show that as of February 2015, just over 5 million people were claiming welfare benefits; of those, about 370,000 (7.2 per cent) were non-UK nationals (at the time that they registered for a National Insurance number; and of those, only 114,000 (2.2 percent of the total) were EU nationals

[Johnny Lee]

No Fatouche I am not racist in any way. If you knew anything about me or my life or my very close friends you would realise how wrong you are. But I am totally against our softly softly approach to this dreadful situation. I also believe that the UK needs to tighten up its border controls and bring in some firm punishment.

I am showing these dreadful facts and yes when you see the hands of these criminals they are very often a darker colour.

I had along conversation with my Bengali Muslim bushiness partner yesterday , we have worked together for 22 years , along with his family , They are indeed like family to us. We were discussing our 10 K per annum rise in rates and the amount of tax etc,,we have to pay. HIS comment was' It must all be going to the new immigrants in Birmingham.. (not my comment.

[waz-24-7]

Why do people always seek out the bad in immigrants, ethnic groups and minority religions. Selective criticism is easy but quite unfair on the majority.
If this group of people were British or even French. Would the headline be the same?
I employ two Romains. Educated, conscientious, diligent and hard working professionals. Contributors to the UK economy.
Could we see some more positive stories because I am certain there are thousands out there. Unfortunately they will not fit the anti immigration agenda that appears to prevail on this forum.