Latest Terrorist attack in the UK

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I could ask where are the remainers but they are too busy abandoning their posts and lining their pockets ?

I could ask wtf has this to do with the title of this thread which is "Latest Terrorist attack in the UK" ?

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At what point in this discussion did i mention Roma ?

When you chose to post images that relate specifically to Roma migrants in Marble Arch and other locations in a thread titled "Latest Terrorist attack in the UK" in support of your Bextremist anti migrant agenda.

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I could ask where are the remainers but they are too busy abandoning their posts and lining their pockets ?

I could ask wtf has this to do with the title of this thread which is "Latest Terrorist attack in the UK" ?

I think you need to direct your anger at your compardre Waz as it was him who brought the EU and Brexit into this thread don't you think ?

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I think you need to direct your anger at your compardr Waz as it was him who brought the EU and Brexit into this thread don't you think ?

Please miss, he started it.

Is that the best you can do ?

[turtle]

No but it seems the best you can do

[waz-24-7]

I believe the connection was that if the UK implemented Trump phobia, build walls, ban Muslims, then the good British public would be safe from terrorist attacks such as recently seen and indeed at the head of this topic.
Such sentiments that Mr Trump peddles are also sentiments shared by Mr Farage and the BREXIT marketing experts.

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Waz
I don't think anyone believes we would be safe from terrorists if we ban all muslims but even you should agree that a monitoring system better suited to slowing things down rather than mass movement of people where no control of who comes and who goes applies.

Genuine hard working people all over Europe have a concern and these people need listening to don't you think,...not everybody is a racist ?

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Waz
I don't think anyone believes we would be safe from terrorists if we ban all muslims but even you should agree that a monitoring system better suited to slowing things down rather than mass movement of people where no control of who comes and who goes applies.

If there was no control of who enters the UK then you might have a point. The reality is there are controls. To argue that the controls are not working well enough is a reasonable position. Claiming they do not exist at all is rhetoric. Understanding that the failure of such controls as they exist today with the UK within the EU are the responsibility and fault of the UK and not down to EU laws preventing us from having such controls is a fair analysis of reality. Making out we can not control who enters the UK because EU laws stop us from doing so is rhetoric and not true

Genuine hard working people all over Europe have a concern and these people need listening to don't you think,...not everybody is a racist ?

A rational way to address fears includes understanding such fears and rational discussion as to if such fears are founded or not or to what degree they are. Genuine hard working people all over Europe have a fear of spiders. Seeking to increase such fears by labelling spiders generically as dangerous and a threat to people and seeking to highlight and take out of context any case where a spider has caused harm to someone, is to me not a valid way to 'listen' to such fears of people. A more rational approach to such fears would be to look at and discuss to what degree spiders really are something that merits such widespread fear or not based on best evidence.

[waz-24-7]

Yes Erol, agreed.
There is no open gate policy for allowing terrorists to enter the UK. The difficulty is identifying the threats before they become terrorist attacks. The UK border control and Immigration have the righto deport and or refuse entry to persons likely to be a threat to UK society. Criminals from other European states are very frequently ejected from the UK under European arrest warrants.
The threat of terrorism is a global issue and not unique to the USA or the UK. The blanket type ban of whole sections of the world community is a recipe for further anger and hatred. Tackling global terrorism needs unilateral action combined with co operation and the sharing of intelligence.

[johnerebus]

Interesting looking at the Wiki page, "Immigration into Britain." It begins with the Roman then Anglo Saxons, Scots, Irish, Vikings, Normans. Jews and Roma. Huguenots, Indians, Africans, Germans up to Russian Jews Circa 1914. Have a look fr yourself for more recent immigration stats.

My take on this topic is very simple: Some people want to have a better life / living standard and / or escape poverty, repression etc. A very normal and healthy ambition. They may encounter danger and even death to do so or just jump on a train and travel in comfort. The UK is still a rich country and can afford to accommodate those less well off, the majority who, once settled in the UK, contribute (please see UK Government statistics) to the economic well-being of the country by working and paying taxes.

There is always one bad apple in a barrel so I've heard and to focus on it is detrimental to all of the good apples. What you focus on you will see. Before you bought your car you didn't know the roads contained so many of your make and model. Now every other car seems to be your model. You get this idea don't you? You see what you focus on or seek and yea shall find. If you're looking for the thieving Romanian you will find them everywhere.

As John Lennon said, "You may say I'm a dreamer." Me too, and I will continue to dream and actively work towards creating a better world having personally broken out of the small and smug precious little island mentality the Daily Mail propagates - especially on the subject of immigration. The End or... To Be Continued or not depending on response

[waz-24-7]

Thank you John
Some valued support to the notion that in fact the UK, Europe and humanity in general could co exist for the mutual benefit of all.
I too profess to be in the dream club.