Only In The UK.

Johnny Lee · Post by **Johnny Lee** » Mon 17 Jul 2017 1:51 pm

Amazing. A Dudley immigrant outstayed her visa by 20 years, Used a false name and managed to get over 70 K in illegal benefits. Yet we can't get our state pensions that we have paid for.

They wonder why British people are angry ?

erol · Post by **erol** » Mon 17 Jul 2017 2:01 pm

Johnny Lee wrote: Yet we can't get our state pensions that we have paid for.

Why can you / we not get our state pension, if we are of sufficient age and have made sufficient contributions ? I do not understand ?

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Mon 17 Jul 2017 2:34 pm

Me either (I don't understand) I get my state pension paid into my UK account but have not lived there for over 10 years and only hit pension age 5 years ago!

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Mon 17 Jul 2017 5:43 pm

Lee, as I understand it, a 'Dishonest Crook' used false information to claim benefits to which they were not entitled.

As this has now come to light, I hope that they will be punished with the full might of the Law, and steps taken to recover whatever can be recovered, although this is often minimal in cases of fraud...

There is, of course, nothing to stop you from doing the same thing, and acquiring a small fortune - except for the fact that you are an honest person

Did you similarly complain that the Great Train Robbers had acquired loot to which they were not entitled? - Race or ethnicity being fairly irrelevant when it comes to theft, stealing is stealing, after all!

As for your pension, I have no knowledge, but I can assure you that my Private and State pensions are paid in full, and on-time - perhaps you should consult a suitably qualified professional - but I really fail to see what the dishonest shenanigans of someone else have to do with it!

Dalartokat · Post by **Dalartokat** » Mon 17 Jul 2017 5:52 pm

Once again Johnny Lee talks of one thing and then tries to connect to another.

This is the first he talks of regarding a Gambian woman living in UK without a valid Visa.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/cri ... -20-years/

Secondly he relates his lack of Pensions being connected to the above as the reason for not being able to claim when in reality (and I think Johnny knows this) the UK Government introduced new rules as to when people could claim their pensions. Everyone who is entitled to their pensions will get them when they reach qualifying age.

Unfortunately some people in UK it has caused problems, hardship etc. and can be debated until the cows come home, but it is nothing to do with the above story.

https://fullfact.org/economy/increasing ... nsion-age/

13roman58 · Post by **13roman58** » Mon 17 Jul 2017 7:00 pm

And who interviewed this person over many years they should be disciplined as they did not do their job

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Mon 17 Jul 2017 8:20 pm

In which office/department? Most of those who have had any dealings with national and/or local government (or work for them) will know that there is a separate department/office for everything - just at a local level, try sorting out refuse collection, residential car parking, council tax payments (and all the rest!) with one person/department - currently we're trying to get a dangerously overgrown hedge on a traffic island cut back - two different departments are each insisting the other is responsible. In the meantime, someone is going to get seriously injured or killed because vehicles have no view as they come round......
Which one person needs to be disciplined?

Mowgli597 · Post by **Mowgli597** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 4:53 am

waddo wrote:Me either (I don't understand) I get my state pension paid into my UK account but have not lived there for over 10 years and only hit pension age 5 years ago!

Ditto - and I haven't lived in the U.K. for 30 years but still get a full state pension (due to forward planning and voluntary contributions).
But being a mere stripling compared to my learned friend above I only qualified for my pension last year

Johnny Lee · Post by **Johnny Lee** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 9:28 am

Many thousands of people cannot get their state pensions because the goverment have stolen them , No other word for it. Theft on a grand scale.

When we left school at 15 or 16 , er were told that if we paid into the system , at 65 years of age aman would get his pension and a woman would get hers at age 60..

But of course if you fell into the right age category then they decided to change it ( I call it fraud.) Not too bad for men we have only got approx 2 year setback, but for many women it is a 7 year delay. My wife should have had her state pension almost 2 years ago. Mine should be due in around 3 years but now it is closer to 5 years.

We have paid all our contributions are paid and I am still paying at least a grand a week into the UK system.

Johnny Lee · Post by **Johnny Lee** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 9:32 am

The reason I connect these things is fairly obvious. If the UK had not felt the need to give our money to all and sundry, then maybe there would be some left for people who are entitle to it.

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 9:37 am

Johnny Lee wrote:The reason I connect these things is fairly obvious. If the UK had not felt the need to give our

money to all and sundry, then maybe there would be some left for people who are entitle to it.

What utter rubbish, the two things are not remotely connected, immigrants, illegal or not, have no bearing on the setting of retirement ages. Please stop trying to stir up aggravation .

Johnny Lee · Post by **Johnny Lee** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 10:03 am

Where did I mention immigrants having any bearing on retirement age. (try specsavers). What I said was if the governments had not squandered our money , or words to that effect then there may have been some left for people who deserve it. Also this is not pointed at immigrants, I simply reiterated the headline.

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 10:26 am

A Dudley immigrant ???????????

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 10:32 am

American police shoot a Australian woman, yet there' still no solution to the Cyprus problem.
No wonder the British people are angry!
That's about as relevant

Lodger · Post by **Lodger** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 10:38 am

elizabeth wrote:A Dudley immigrant ???????????

They're all immigrants that's why it's called the Black country.

"Sling out the bait and wait for for that bite !!!!!"

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 2:02 pm

[quote="Keithcaley"]Lee, as I understand it, a 'Dishonest Crook' used false information to claim benefits to which they were not entitled.

Keith: How many honest crooks do you know? Is that not an oxymoron?_

OK I'm being pernickety - excuse please , its the effect this thread had on me!y

By the way we get our pensions because for some reason the UK has a mutual agreement with Turkey and we are classed for this purpose as living in Turkey ..... Think about the possible effects of Britex and/or reunification of Cyprus. For those of us who are committed to living here it is a good (if selfish) reason for Cyprus becoming part of Turkey.

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 2:35 pm

You would imagine that the UK - being a guarantor power of Cyprus - would know that we are NOT part of Turkey, I can accept that Boris would not understand that but it must have been mentioned once or twice in Parliament since 1974. Then again as the UK do not recognise the country we do live in, so effectively we do not exist anywhere to them, how can they imagine that we are living in Turkey? It would be more advantageous for them to imagine we all lived in Canada, then they would not have to pay us those annual huge pension increases! Just try and make use of the reciprocal tax agreement between the UK and Turkey and tell them you live here - they very quickly will tell you that you can not because you are not part of Turkey.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 3:08 pm

Actually a very long time ago I had a very long conversation with an officer of the Inland Revenue who insisted that for tax purposes Northern Cyprus IS part of Turkey , Remember all those maps that described the North as "under Turkish occupation" or something similar (I cant remember the exact wording). I know it is not logical but I decided to accept it, after all I did not want to lose my pension because of insisting I live somewhere that they claim does not exist! Dont argue, just take the money and run, and dont tell the IR.

Mowgli597 · Post by **Mowgli597** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 4:52 pm

When we were leaving (Southern) Ireland I made an appointment to see my local tax man. When I explained where we were moving to, and asked what would be my tax status, living as we would be in a country which didn't officially exist, I got the great Irish pragmatic response, "Sure I haven't a clue, Mr Mowgli, but I'm glad you won't be my problem for I'll be handing you over to Dublin!"

That still hasn't happened and he's still my friendly taxman, and it's like nothing changed except I don't pay as much tax any more since I'm "non-resident" (though still for a little while "ordinarily resident").

What a strange world the Revenue people live in!

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Tue 18 Jul 2017 10:07 pm

RR - You're losing it

Keithcaley wrote:Lee, as I understand it, a 'Dishonest Crook' used false information to claim benefits to which they were not entitled.

RR wrote:Keith: How many honest crooks do you know? Is that not an oxymoron?_

I accept that 'Honest Crook' is an oxymoron, but 'Dishonest Crook' was a Tautology - used consciously for emphasis...

Post by **Soner** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 6:04 am

I'll step in and do a Keithcaley here, to help others out:

https://www.thoughtco.com/awfully-good- ... ns-1691814

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tautology

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 6:59 am

What is it with some people on this forum, it seems every time Johnny Lee puts a post up, he is attacked, none of us are perfect.

He is entitled to his say.

End of rant.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 7:54 am

Jacob, he had his say - I just didn't think that what he said made any sense

...Just saying....

erol · Post by **erol** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 8:15 am

jacob wrote:What is it with some people on this forum, it seems every time Johnny Lee puts a post up, he is attacked, none of us are perfect.

He is entitled to his say.

End of rant.

What are you saying Jacob, what would you like these 'some people' to do in the future ? Not have their say ? Maybe the reason why 'some people' react to what Johnny Lee is saying is because of what it is he is saying and how he says it. Personally I think if you actually look at his posts then the claim that 'every time' Johnny Lee puts up a post, he is attacked' is clearly not true. Any time he puts up a post about 'immigrants' and the 'state of the UK' he does indeed provoke strong reactions but when his posts are not about this subject, I see no attacks on what he is saying or on him at all.

As far as 'some people' using this forum to 'attack' others, I still remember Johnny Lee's use of this forum to launch and sustain, what I personally consider to be, one of the most vicious and perfidious attacks on other people that I have ever seen on a forum I am a member of.

pedmoreapollo · Post by **pedmoreapollo** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 8:37 am

I am puzzled Johnny Lee, how can you be paying £1000 a week into the uk system? By my reckoning that is £52.000 per year! Unless of course, you are a millionaire

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 9:20 am

I stand by my comment.

Johnny is one of the kindest people I know, he would go out of his way to help a stranger.

OK he isn't PC and upsets a lot of liberal snowflakes, but, he speaks as he sees things, nothing wrong with that.

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 9:22 am

erol wrote:
jacob wrote:What is it with some people on this forum, it seems every time Johnny Lee puts a post up, he is attacked, none of us are perfect.

He is entitled to his say.

End of rant.
What are you saying Jacob, what would you like these 'some people' to do in the future ? Not have their say ? Maybe the reason why 'some people' react to what Johnny Lee is saying is because of what it is he is saying and how he says it. Personally I think if you actually look at his posts then the claim that 'every time' Johnny Lee puts up a post, he is attacked' is clearly not true. Any time he puts up a post about 'immigrants' and the 'state of the UK' he does indeed provoke strong reactions but when his posts are not about this subject, I see no attacks on what he is saying or on him at all.

As far as 'some people' using this forum to 'attack' others, I still remember Johnny Lee's use of this forum to launch and sustain, what I personally consider to be, one of the most vicious and perfidious attacks on other people that I have ever seen on a forum I am a member of.

I am saying give the guy a break.

erol · Post by **erol** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 9:40 am

jacob wrote: OK he isn't PC and upsets a lot of liberal snowflakes, but, he speaks as he sees things, nothing wrong with that.

No nothing wrong with that but apparently according to you there is something wrong with 'liberal snowflakes' speaking as they see things in response to his posts ?

Also in my opinion you are failing to understand why some people are upset by what he says. You seem to think that they are upset simply because he does not express such views in PC terms. Well speaking for myself , I would still disagree with such views even if couched in the most PC terms possible. It is not the 'not being PC' that upsets me, it is what he says that 'upsets' me. I do not think anyone could accuse say Frankie Boyle of being 'PC' yet on the whole the views he expresses in his non PC way do not 'upset' me.

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 10:35 am

RR, This the reason why you get your pension increases here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ement-with

In simple terms HMRC can not say you live in Turkey - because you do not, but can say you live in Cyprus (The Island, regardless of which part it is), however if they admit you live in Northern Cyprus then they would not be able to pay increases - big headache for them! If they, on the other hand, treated you as living in Cyprus then you could be able to make use of the reciprocal tax agreement between the UK and Cyprus, that would mean you would pay less income tax and it would be paid to Cyprus not the UK - so they (the UK) would not get very much at all - even bigger headache for them.

So HMRC, being Civil Service, have done the normal thing - where no explicit rule exists in any official document, ignore the problem and take the most simple route!!! They will already know where you live because, being an honest, upstanding person of good character, you did this: https://www.gov.uk/tax-right-retire-abroad-return-to-uk before you left - did'nt you??? Or, did you just say "I am off to TRNC for a long holiday" and left it at that - lol.

I do get the point that JL is trying to make and my wife is in the same boat as his wife, fortunately I am lucky because I am old and just managed to creep in under the wire before things changed - I would much rather be young and still waiting to get old and a pension mind you!!!!

erol · Post by **erol** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 12:02 pm

waddo wrote:I do get the point that JL is trying to make .....

I can understand JL or indeed anyone adversely affected by this change to the state pension age being less than happy about it. I too am (will be) adversely affected by it. What I am struggling to understand is the linking of this change to the state pension age with 'government wastage' either of the specific example JL used or generally, whilst seemingly ignoring the much clearer and obvious and directly linked reason that has driven the need to implement such changes, namely the fact that people on average are living longer today that when the pension age was originally set at the lower levels. It seems to me even if you imagine a world where there was no 'government waste' at all, as impossible as that is, even then there would still be this same pressure and need to change the state pension retirement age as the average lifespans of people covered by such pensions changes, would there not ?

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 12:36 pm

Erol, Understood. However, when you want to have a "winge", then people tend to pick on all sorts of non-connected items to add to the overall "winge" and it all gets lost in translation - lol. That is why I am still not happy about paying tax on my Military Pension and having it reduced because I get my State Pension (taxed at source) which cuts down the amount of Civil Service pension I get and my dog has fleas! I blame it all on the lack of Turkish water that I am paying for and not getting whilst the cost of electricity is so high these days it's a wonder I can afford to drive my Porsche around the rotten roads of Ozankoy while I splash mud on RR's door! Thinking of moving because this heat is just too much without enough aircon over the top of my empty swimming pool - get the picture - lol???

On a brighter note, I read on the BBC (so it must be true) this week that the age men are dying at has dropped back down again, so I am expecting the Government to actually change the State Pension age again and reduce the age at which it is being paid - I live in a wonderful fluffy white cloud over here!!!

Johnny Lee · Post by **Johnny Lee** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 12:54 pm

Pedmoreappolo. It is probably a lot more than 52 K per annum. Whether I am a millionaire or not is irrelevant ,

The simple plain facts are that the UK has blown money paid in by many millions of hard working people. Whether it be giving financial aid to countries that are supposedly poor , yet can afford a Nuclear weapons programme. High Salaries for useless Politicians , Housing and benefits for immigrants who have not put a single penny into our system, The war on W.O.M.D. etc. etc. etc. The list is endless.

If the governments had looked after our funds then we would be looking at a whole different scenario.

Bring it down to basics. You give me a weekly sum to save for you say 50 years ago. Then when your payout is due you cannot benefit from it because I have blown it.

So this 70 K paid out to a person who should not even be in the UK is yet another example.

I suggest a few of you people step out of your I'm OK jack bubble because I 'm getting my pension and have no interest in the rapid demise of the UK and look at the facts. Don't any of you have children or grandchildren in the UK. Or do you just not care. ?

erol · Post by **erol** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 1:19 pm

Johnny Lee wrote:If the governments had looked after our funds then we would be looking at a whole different scenario.

JL can you not see why, even if the government had of 'looked after our funds' exactly as you would have liked, that against a back drop of significantly increasing average lifespans there would still be a pressure and need to increase the retirement age of state pensions ?

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 1:33 pm

Waddo:

When I trip over my own feet and fall into a trap there is no need for you t o jump in after me! Keith would not and I am surprised he did not pick that up.

HMCR do not pay pensions! The Pensions Service (part of the Department of Work and Pensions) pay the State Pension. They publish a booklet which lists the countries which have reciprocal agreements and therefore pension increases apply these include Turkey,

When I first came to live here I was a bit wet behind the ears, not to say wearing rose coloured specs and insisted to the relative authorities including HMCR that I was coming to live in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. In turn they insisted that it was "Turkish occupied Northern Cyprus" and therefore part of Turkey as evidenced by my postal address!
As that worked to my advantage I gave up the fight. Admittedly if they had insisted I lived in the so called Republic of Cyprus at the time I would still have had a reciprocal agreement courtesy of the EU, which due to Brexit may soon no longer apply. If you told them you lived in the RoC you may have problems if or when Brexit comes into force.

When I reached the age for state pension I had to same argument with the same result, except that I paid added contributions to bring it to full pension, having taken early retirement.

My OCCUPATIONAL pension provider did not care a damn where I lived as far as entitlement was concerned , but would not pay it into a TRNC bank.

Post by **Soner** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 1:53 pm

Britain is still a great place, don't knock it. I too have to wait longer for my pension, and no I do not care. You are completely right about government wasting money, I had once worked for the Home Office and could not believe how money was being squandered, in the millions, and that's just by one directorate. Over employing to bring down stats on unemployment is how the civil service is managed.

As for immigrants given housing and benefits without putting into the system is a blow below the belt. These are people that need help, and many will eventually put back into the system once back on their feet. Giving money to countries in times of need, well, that is simply an act of charity, nothing wrong with helping mankind.

I have a daughter who has been taught not to rely on anybody. Paid her own way to get a degree, set up her own business and happily pays into the system, much more than I ever had to pay in. Determined to get on the property ladder (with all odds stacked up against her), saved enough and has recently purchased her own house. What I am trying to say is, people just get on with life no matter what obstacles are put up in front of them.

I take my hat off to nations like the UK that is charitable, democratic and offering opportunities for anybody to progress and achieve in life.

As for the person that stole from the system, that simply is dishonest and they will be dealt with one way or another, it could have been anyone, local or immigrant, makes no difference. Or, would have been OK if it were a true British national that had paid in to the system?

woodspeckie · Post by **woodspeckie** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 3:30 pm

Breaking news 6 million men and women will have to wait a year longer than expected to get their state pension. The rise to pension age 68 will now be phased in between 2037 and 2039 rather than 2044. Those affected are now between 39 and 47.

erol · Post by **erol** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 3:37 pm

A few facts and figures about UK state pensions and pension age and average life expectancy of those who reach the age of 65. Source http://visual.ons.gov.uk/how-has-life-e ... over-time/

In 1908 the first 'state pension' was introduced in the UK. The age at which those eligible for this pension could start claiming it was 70. On average a male claimants of such then would live (and thus claim) for another 8.4 years

In 1940 state pension age for men was reduced to 65 years. On average then such male claimants would live (and thus claim) for another 11.5 years.

In 1970 the time around which JL would have started paying in the state pension age was still 65 years. On average such male claimants then would live (and thus claim) for another 12 years.

In 2011 legislation was passed that increases the male pension age from 65 going forward. On average such male claimants then would live (and thus claim) for another 18.3 years.

Dalartokat · Post by **Dalartokat** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 3:48 pm

Erol, bit out of date now your info. Today, the UK Government has announced that there will be an increase in the Pension age to 68.

.http://www.cityam.com/268743/state-pens ... -increases

Should say for some people born at certain times.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 3:52 pm

Johnny Lee wrote:...I suggest a few of you people step out of your I'm OK jack bubble because I 'm getting my pension and have no interest in the rapid demise of the UK and look at the facts. Don't any of you have children or grandchildren in the UK. Or do you just not care. ?

Now that you've actually explained what you meant in post 1...

It read (to me) as though you were having trouble with your pension, and blaming some hapless miscreant in Dudley!

How we were supposed to be able to infer what you have subsequently posted from that initial post is quite beyond me!

...and there's no call to be offensive and imply that we don't care about anyone but ourselves either - I, for one, was simply pointing out that there isn't a general issue with pension payments, which was what your first post seemed to be saying.

Dalartokat · Post by **Dalartokat** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 4:24 pm

I'm confused also now as to what Johnny Lee is saying. First he refers to "we" then his wife, which he has also done in the past. Now for the first time mentions he has his pension and pays a £1000 in UK tax????

Lots of women in the UK (referred to as WASPI's) have also had their pension age affected and so did I.

BTW....there have been many White Male British and White Female British that have, long before the changes in pension age, committed fraud where benefits are concerned, Overseas aid has also been given for many years and successive governments have also squandered money, We all have to live with it.

Jacob, the facts are out there for people to read but always convenient to some people to make a drama.

erol · Post by **erol** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 4:28 pm

Dalartokat wrote:Erol, bit out of date now your info. Today, the UK Government has announced that there will be an increase in the Pension age to 68.

.http://www.cityam.com/268743/state-pens ... -increases

Should say for some people born at certain times.

Not my info , its the ONS info (office of national statistics). I am just the 'messenger'. It is about the situation between 1908 (when pensions started) to 2011 (when the legislation that would increase the pension age for men from 65 going forward from that point was passed). So yes in the sense that it is historical data, it is 'out of date' but not sure what the relevance of that observation is ? Maybe I am failing to grasp what you are saying ?

It seems clear to me that the main 'driver' for needing to increase the age at which people claim their state pensions is because they are on average living longer once they reach the age at which they can claim and thus need to be paid for longer, thus costing more. Thus it seems to me that to keep the overall cost to UK taxpayers of supporting such pensions at a similar level in real terms over time, against this back drop of living longer, you can either reduce how much you pay per month / year or change the age at which people can start to claim (which is what is being done). Or have I missed something ? To not increase the age at which people can start claiming pensions (or reduce how much is paid) in the face of people of pensionable age living significantly longer would, as far as I understand things, require spending and ever greater proportion of state income year on year supporting pensions and thus not on other things. Or again have I missed something ?

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Wed 19 Jul 2017 4:59 pm

"I suggest a few of you people step out of your I'm OK jack bubble because I 'm getting my pension and have no interest in the rapid demise of the UK and look at the facts. Don't any of you have children or grandchildren in the UK. Or do you just not care. ?"

OK, I have stepped outside and looked at the facts - what the UK has done, it has done to itself, that is a fact! What the people voted for, they got, that is a fact! I am now too old to have any effect on what is happening in the UK and have not lived there for over 10 years and have no intention of ever living there again, that is a fact! I worked for the Military and then the Civil Service in full support of the UK from age 15.5 to age 60, that is a fact! I have children, grandchildren and great grandchildren all living in the UK, that is a fact! They are in charge of their own lives just as I am, that is a fact!

The big difference is that none of them moan about it, they all get on with a changing world and deal with it - get behind it.

Johnny Lee · Post by **Johnny Lee** » Fri 21 Jul 2017 10:34 am

Just been reading about the Nigerian couple, That the taxpayer financed to own a Million pound mansion in Nigeria, They drove a Merc. Sports and had a 89K sound system, wore Rolex watches. All gained from fraudulent benefit claims.

Now the goverment are trying to get back 1.2 million. But the other factor in this is that the tax payer will now pay again to keep them in prison.

Did any of you watch the Douglas Murray talk on U tube Entitled Immigration Will End Great Britain?

Or did you see Lauren Southerns U tube video, Entitled Today I visited A Train Station In Paris. ?

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Fri 21 Jul 2017 12:48 pm

I have seen almost all of Douglas Murray's excellent videos on youtube, very clever, articulate man. I have listened to Lauren Southern on Fox News, speaks for many people.

Johnny Lee · Post by **Johnny Lee** » Sat 22 Jul 2017 9:49 am

Darkalot where have I once said that I get my state pension , I am years away from it ! I think you need to correct your post. I asked you this question yesterday and it was removed. ???? I don't think it's offensive and I have not been rude or swore. Yet it has disappeared . How very strange.

I mentioned my wife's pension because that has been put back approx 7 years.

Whilst on the subject, Last night I saw the video of the German police insisting that German people must remove their own flag because it could cause offence to immigrants.

Dalartokat · Post by **Dalartokat** » Sat 22 Jul 2017 10:27 am

Johnny Lee wrote:Darkalot where have I once said that I get my state pension , I am years away from it ! I think you need to correct your post. I asked you this question yesterday and it was removed. ???? I don't think it's offensive and I have not been rude or swore. Yet it has disappeared . How very strange.

I mentioned my wife's pension because that has been put back approx 7 years.

Whilst on the subject, Last night I saw the video of the German police insisting that German people must remove their own flag because it could cause offence to immigrants.

Firstly look how it's spelt..Dalartokat that's your first offensive remark.

Secondly your racist undertones on anything that seems to affect your life are not offensive to me. but could be others and on your original posting has no connection, in my opinion.

You wrote....

Just been reading about the Nigerian couple, That the taxpayer financed to own a Million pound mansion in Nigeria, They drove a Merc. Sports and had a 89K sound system, wore Rolex watches. All gained from fraudulent benefit claims.

Now the goverment are trying to get back 1.2 million. But the other factor in this is that the tax payer will now pay again to keep them in prison.

Did any of you watch the Douglas Murray talk on U tube Entitled Immigration Will End Great Britain?

Or did you see Lauren Southerns U tube video, Entitled Today I visited A Train Station In Paris. ?

What is the point of this story that dates back to 2012 and took place in 2010?

Thirdly,,,,,I did not come onto the forum yesterday until early evening and had a private message from someone on this forum informing me that they had reported a posting by you that "they" found offensive" that you had written something about me. I have no idea what you said or who removed it. I suggest to you that you privately message me to tell me what it was you said and what it is you wish to know from me.

Johnny Lee · Post by **Johnny Lee** » Sat 22 Jul 2017 1:31 pm

Sorry about the spelling, I cant believe you find a mistake offensive. I have written nothing offensive at all about you or anyone else. I asked Soner why this message had been taken off. He said he read it and found it light hearted, I simply that someone had referred to people as rent a mob. If you find a mistake offensive then I find that strange. I do not need to PM you. I do not hide and I have just told you the facts.

So will you kindly tell me please where I said I get my pension ??? The point of the story is that it is being now proved right, Just like Enoch Powell's speeches.

I am not against immigration if the person can be of some use to our country and not abuse it, kill people and take what they are not entitled to, We have enough of our own home grown scum filling up our prisons and costing us billions. Why bring in more.

Post by **Soner** » Sat 22 Jul 2017 4:05 pm

Johnny Lee, how can one tell if someone is going to create a crime? You cannot select immigrants on the basis that everyone of them will end up being law abiding, just as you do not know who or how many UK citizens are going to cheat the system. One cannot deny entry to the UK on that basis, if you did you could be sending back legitimate asylum seekers to their death. What kind of a World would it be that we live in if doors were closed to everyone?

Those committing crime and cheating the system are eventually caught. I am sure the system in place works, if not, then it simply needs to be improved.

Dalartokat · Post by **Dalartokat** » Sat 22 Jul 2017 4:44 pm

Johnny Lee wrote:Sorry about the spelling, I cant believe you find a mistake offensive. I have written nothing offensive at all about you or anyone else. I asked Soner why this message had been taken off. He said he read it and found it light hearted, I simply that someone had referred to people as rent a mob. If you find a mistake offensive then I find that strange. I do not need to PM you. I do not hide and I have just told you the facts.

So will you kindly tell me please where I said I get my pension ??? The point of the story is that it is being now proved right, Just like Enoch Powell's speeches.

I am not against immigration if the person can be of some use to our country and not abuse it, kill people and take what they are not entitled to, We have enough of our own home grown scum filling up our prisons and costing us billions. Why bring in more.

I do not accept the apology because you knew exactly what you was doing and saying. I am not interested whether you find it strange or not to be offended by a spelling, because and I repeat, you knew exactly what you were doing and saying.

What I find strange is a posting by you is removed, but was considered light hearted. If it was light hearted repeat it on the forum so I can see what was said.

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Sat 22 Jul 2017 9:22 pm

I deleted the post following a report by a Kibkom member.

If the post is repeated then I will delete again.

One persons view of what is lighthearted can often be viewed as a personal attack, especially when you cannnot see the person making the post. Sometimes words can really hurt.

Time now to get back on topic.

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