Trout from Turkey

nginea · Post by **nginea** » Tue 29 Aug 2017 1:51 pm

I was down at the new reservoir and could see thousands of baby fish in the water. Caught some and took them home. Asked my Turkish Cypriot friend and he said that they were from trout eggs which came through the pipeline. Can anyone shed any more light on this. Looked on the internet and they look very much like rainbow trout. If so fishermen will have a whale of a time down at the reservoir in a year or so. Also checked the Water PH which was 7.5, got home checked the mains water and was 8.2+, strange.

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Tue 29 Aug 2017 2:06 pm

Hi John, my neighbour in Karsiyaka says his PH level is 7.5ish. We're all supposed to be getting the same water, I assume. So it is a puzzle.

Kanonier · Post by **Kanonier** » Tue 29 Aug 2017 2:33 pm

[/quote]If so fishermen will have a whale of a time down at the reservoir in a year or so.

Literally!

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Tue 29 Aug 2017 5:56 pm

There seems to be plenty of big fish in there already, and fishermen (persons).

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Tue 29 Aug 2017 5:59 pm

The new - well the big one that was there before but is now bigger - reservoir is perfect for rainbow trout. Sadly and knowing Cypriots of old it is also perfect for dynamite which is the fastest way to catch large batches of rainbow trout known to man. If there is any sort of entrepreneur out there who can catch (pun not intended) onto this quickly the income from overseas fishermen tourists coming here to catch trout (fly fishing) is lucrative indeed. Remember the advert with Richard Branson and somebody else whose name escapes me, the somebody was fishing on one of Richards trout lakes and was delighted because he had caught a rainbow trout! Richards last words were - I suppose I will have to put another one in now - made my day and proved the point to me about paying for fishing. Fresh trout on the menu in two to three years time - wonderful provided it is well maintained and you can keep the speedboats off the water.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Tue 29 Aug 2017 6:41 pm

"Salmon Fishing in the Yemen" now Trout Fishing in the TRNC.

Heaven preserve us from the entrepreneurs - enough of the country has been ruined already without trout farms and cute little holiday Fishermans Villages destroying th ecology of the reservoirs!

Just keep quiet about it and leave it to a few resident hobby fishermen who will respect the country.

Raises a very interesting issue though: if trout are coming through the pipeline all kinds of other water life not native to the TRNC will be too! There was an intersting post on another thread with a link to bulk water transfers world wide. I wonder if anyone has done a study on the effect on the world's ecology of the transfer of water borne seeds, eggs etc. to another country , and particularly another climatic zone.

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Tue 29 Aug 2017 9:28 pm

There's a heron flying back and forth across the reservoir most mornings, so that's encouraging. Lots of bullfrogs too. It just amazes me how quickly an eco system forms.

Navek · Post by **Navek** » Tue 29 Aug 2017 10:00 pm

Here's an American fish problem.....
https://youtu.be/tLmJjRqXDCo
And...
https://youtu.be/WIKVOXldpi4

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Wed 30 Aug 2017 6:30 am

Kuskor will be inspecting and cataloguing the wildlife at the reservoir on Saturday 2nd and will make a point of looking out for the trout...

If there are lots of trout or other fish such as carp then Ospreys will make a point of fishing here on their migration... which will be a spectacular sight.

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Wed 30 Aug 2017 6:59 am

We've seen large fish out in the middle just basking with their backs/dorsal fins protruding out of the water. The lazy movement suggested large carp to me. At first we thought they were ducks. I must remember to take the binoculars next time we walk the dogs.

paul90 · Post by **paul90** » Wed 30 Aug 2017 7:40 am

Are you sure it wasn't the Loch Gecitkoy Monster?

Mowgli597 · Post by **Mowgli597** » Wed 30 Aug 2017 8:17 am

paul90 wrote:Are you sure it wasn't the Loch Gecitkoy Monster?

He was with the dogs

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Wed 30 Aug 2017 9:42 am

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water ...................... watch out for Jaws!

Seriously I am very glad to hear that Kuskor are monitoring the situation: it would be great to hear the outcome of their investigations. Any chance we can have a report? I hope they will or other relevant authority will be monitoring the effects of this new water on the ecology and taking steps to protect it from exploitation.

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Wed 30 Aug 2017 3:40 pm

"enough of the country has been ruined already without trout farms and cute little holiday Fishermen's Villages destroying the ecology of the reservoirs!"

I suppose you are right, let's just carry on filling up the country with your Concrete Box Man's products instead, a much better idea. We are discussing only one reservoir not all of them anyway. That particular reservoir is now many, many times bigger than it was originally but nobody has complained about all the ecology that was destroyed in the making of it - of course not, people much prefer being able to drink I suppose.

Progress is a terrible thing - it just keeps happening no matter how people try to stop it but it can be guided and much better to try to guide it into something peaceful and productive than just let it become a watersports centre for the use of speed boats and jet ski's. I fail to see why people are against progress, without you would still be on the donkey or at best in the old rattle trap of a car, not very much tarmac in those days, no pavements to moan about, no parking spaces to complain over, no supermarkets, not much in the way of electricity, little in the way of water 24/7 and of course not empty buildings awaiting destruction or sales. The good old days??? The problem with age is that "the good old days" are always behind you where as for the younger generation, they are still to come - but not as we want it, but then it will not be ours and we will not be there when the younger generations talk about their "Good old days" will we?

IPMAN · Post by **IPMAN** » Wed 30 Aug 2017 3:47 pm

Why do they need to put motor boats and jet skis on the reservoir? There's plenty of room for that kind of thing in the sea not 100 yards away!

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Wed 30 Aug 2017 3:54 pm

Would they be 'Cyprus Yards' then?

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Wed 30 Aug 2017 4:32 pm

IPMAN, probably because they could! It is a bit like parking, if there is a space marked out to use - ignore it, park closer always. If you don't have to clean the salt off your boat because you use it in fresh water - well, need I say more. Never mind that more people would be able to watch you making a total pratt of yourself from above the reservoir than can see it from the beach and I think that just about sums it up. Not suggesting it should or would ever happen but if it ever doe's I will not be surprised. It would be nice to see it turned into an "Official" nature reserve before anything else happens to destroy it.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Wed 30 Aug 2017 7:47 pm

Waddo: You have got me totally confused? I was arguing against exploitation of the reservoir (any reservoir or pace of special interest of beauty) NOT for it!

I too would like it to be an official nature reserve, but would that protect it. The status has not protected other sites of natural beauty and not just in N. Cyprus either.?

As for future generations personally I would like to leave them a World that was at least no worse than I found it and preferably better. The way humans are behaving nowadays, particularly Concrete Box Man, it is likely that will be no world left for them anyway!

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Wed 30 Aug 2017 8:13 pm

Ragged Robin wrote:Waddo: You have got me totally confused? I was arguing against exploitation of the reservoir (any reservoir or pace of special interest of beauty) NOT for it!

I too would like it to be an official nature reserve, but would that protect it. The status has not protected other sites of natural beauty and not just in N. Cyprus either.?

As for future generations personally I would like to leave them a World that was at least no worse than I found it and preferably better. The way humans are behaving nowadays, particularly Concrete Box Man, it is likely that will be no world left for them anyway!

Who IS 'Concrete Box Man'? that is, who do YOU define as 'Concrete Box Man'?

It seems to me to be a very derogatory, demeaning term...

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Thu 31 Aug 2017 5:36 am

Even without the water coming from Turkey carrying fish eggs to populate the reservoir and even if they had been filtered out before reaching the reservoir - fish would have started to appear... fish eggs adhere to the legs of migrating birds and find their way into isolated stretches of water quite naturally. So let's not start charging anyone with fish farming just yet.

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Thu 31 Aug 2017 6:04 am

We are hoping to go along on Saturday to assist if we can. I will endeavour to contact Damla Beton/Snapes to arrange. If you are there Groucho, please identify yourself.

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Thu 31 Aug 2017 6:55 am

frontalman wrote:We are hoping to go along on Saturday to assist if we can. I will endeavour to contact Damla Beton/Snapes to arrange. If you are there Groucho, please identify yourself.

Kuskor will be visiting several sites to observe and record bird migration, these day trips run from Sept to June. On the first Saturday of each month normally. I am not sure what time during the day we will be at the reservoir but we are planning to stop there to eat our picnic lunch.... So somewhere around 12 to 13:00 at a guess.

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Thu 31 Aug 2017 10:34 am

We usually park up near the great wooden contraption at the far end of the dam. We'll be there at 12 o'clock. If your timing is a bit off I wouldn't mind a call. 0533 8463507. Cheers.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Thu 31 Aug 2017 6:59 pm

Who IS 'Concrete Box Man'? that is, who do YOU define as 'Concrete Box Man'?

It seems to me to be a very derogatory, demeaning term...[/quote]

Depends on where you stand , Keith, and what your principles are! Derorgatory and demeaning , like, beauty, are in the eye of the beholder.

I would admit to it being a trifle unfair in that it is arbitrary. Not all who live in concrete boxes are Concrete Box Man, nor does Concrete BOx man always live in a Concrete Box - sometimes it is an Ivory Tower or Marble Halls! It was just a simple way of defining people who follow a certain mind set and do not appreciate, nor allow others to enjoy, the beauties and virtues of nature and a simple and natural lifestyle.

Concrete Box Man and his aides and associates dig up olive groves and plant instead rows of nearly identical concrete boxes raping the countryside and spoiling it for others.

He builds an extension to his concrete box uncaring that it invades his neighbour's privacy , and blocks their view and even light and air.

He blocks off a lovely walk enjoyed by many (in the UK it would be a right of way) just so he can build a swimming pool for his sole enjoyment.

Concrete box man supreme builds and uses tower blocks to destroy the view, and hotels which breach the laws of access to the high water mark, and disadvantage residents, local and expat.

In this instance I am terribly afraid that Concrete Box Man will take advantage of the trout to build a trout farm (which damages other species)
or some form of hotel or holiday village which willl be detrimental to other forms of wildlife as well as trout.

It is now highly unlikely that I will ever get the chance to see this or indeed any Reservoir. However as I tried to say earlier, I think it vital that we leave undestroyed something of the beautfy of our planet for those who come after us, and , particularly Norther Cyprus , which a few short years ago before the advent of Concrete Box Man we use to boast was the last unspoilt coast on the Med.

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Thu 31 Aug 2017 8:49 pm

These have been around for many years. Have faith in human kind: http://www.windowoncyprus.com/dams_in_c ... ngling.htm

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Fri 01 Sep 2017 1:59 pm

Very interesting Waddo - thanks for the link/

However I see all those examples are in the South - if Groucho's theory of eggs transferred by birds is right , how do you know that our new trout are Turkish and not Greek Cypriot? Think what a furor that would cause (joke)

As for having faith in human kind, I wish I could, but what I have seen of the senseless and selfish destruction of natural resources in the last fifteen years here has destroyed any I had.

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Fri 01 Sep 2017 2:52 pm

Link sent so that you could see the lack of building around the lakes and to my mind the South would sell anything to make money so maybe they have it right this time and have protected their resources. But how do you know that the trout in the South are Greek - perhaps like many other things they were left behind when the kindly UN forces "assisted" the Turkish to move to the North? Perish the thought but these might even have been "British" trout originally - lol.

Much has changed everywhere in the past fifteen years, some for the better and some as seen for the worse, but change will never stop. You can either ignore it, accept it or move away from it - limited choices but they are the same for everyone. What seems like senseless and selfish destruction to one may seem like progress at a cost to others, tolerance in all things is the answer and of course remembering that it is not really a good thing to complain about what your host is doing when you are a guest? Constructive criticism can be a double edged sword but always worth a swing just in cars - lol.

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Fri 01 Sep 2017 3:32 pm

I agree with Waddo, sometimes you have to just make the best of a bad hand.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Fri 01 Sep 2017 6:59 pm

I strongly resent the implication that any of my posts above were "complaining about my hosts""....I have been here and connected with Cyprus for far longer than most of those who only come for sun and sea and booze and whose only interest is a bigger and better swimming pool.

I don't believe and have never suggested that the Government and Administration of the TRNC is any better, worse, more corrupt or more stupid than those in any other county including, or rather particularly, the UK. I do believe that Turkish Cypriots, unfortunately, lack the centuries of experience in running a country, particularly a democratic one, but that is the fault of the Ottoman and British Empires. I also feel that the authorities are sometimes put in a position where they see no alternative but to make what some may consider an unwise decision because of the isolation of the TRNC and the need for income - this is not their fault but that of the international community and their false values, particularly the UK and the USA.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Fri 01 Sep 2017 7:11 pm

If quotes the word "progress " at me again I will scream so loud that they will hear me on top of Troodos.

Man used to kill with stone axe and flint arrowheads. Then how learnt how to kill with metal swords and spears.

Was that progress?

Then he learned to do it quicker and more effectively with gunpower.

Was that progress?

Now he can kill millions , most completely innocent and totally uninvolved in the issue in quesion just at the press of a button by a madman. Is that progress?

Modern technology can actually help the lame walk and the blind see - but only if they are very lucky or have a lot of money.

Is that progress?

Man has developed drugs that cure many of the ills that man is heir to. It is making fortunes for the pharmaceutical companies, but half the world still suffers.

Is that progress?

Modern inventions alleged to make life easier are affecting the climate and ecology of the world so badly, that large areas of the inhabited country are
likely to be uninhabitable in future. Concrete boxes and their adjuncts are among the culprits as they stifle vegetation which refreshes the atmosphere.

Is that progress?

I think we need to review our priorities before we start waffling on about progress.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Fri 01 Sep 2017 7:27 pm

frontalman wrote:I agree with Waddo, sometimes you have to just make the best of a bad hand.

"The only think necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to say nothing"

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Fri 01 Sep 2017 7:30 pm

Anyway if anyone does manage to catch one of these multiracial trout, can I have it please, preferably with grapes and almonds.

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Fri 01 Sep 2017 8:15 pm

Ragged Robin wrote:
frontalman wrote:I agree with Waddo, sometimes you have to just make the best of a bad hand.

"The only think necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to say nothing"

True, but you can't eat principles, unfortunately.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Fri 01 Sep 2017 10:33 pm

"The only think necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to say nothing"

How simple; how trite - and how demonstrably false.....
Throughout history, both internationally and in local neighbourhoods, good people have spoken - and evil (minor and major) has still prevailed.....
Just look around at real life...... the "good guys" rarely win.....

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Sat 02 Sep 2017 7:55 am

"I think we need to review our priorities before we start waffling on about progress." I quite agree - what are "Your" priorities?

Let us change the word to "Change" instead, perhaps that will more suit your sensibilities? For instance, I have been "connected" with Cyprus since February 1965 when I was part of the military force at RAF Nicosia and have been "associated" with Cyprus ever since until my final retirement here over 10 years ago. During that time I have noticed much "Change"! I am not a Cypriot and some of the change has appeared wrong to me but then it is not my Island, who am I to say it is wrong to change it? Perhaps it is best that I sit here and enjoy life, helping where I can but not complaining about things that are in the process of "Change" until I see the finished "Change".

Oscar Wilde once said: “The optimist sees the donut, the pessimist sees the hole.” I see a future full of donuts.

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Sat 02 Sep 2017 9:37 am

Anyway - this thread was about Trout from Turkey and not about priorities, progress, change or anything else. It has moved into a normal direct of who is right and who is wrong yet again. So I end my posts on this thread with a return to the start.

I hope that there are trout in the new reservoir, apart from it being a wonderful increase in natural life it may even provide joy and happiness to a wide variety of people - there is too little happiness in the world as it is to argue about Trout being good or bad! Have a good Bayram people - enjoy the weather for winter is coming!!!!!

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Sat 02 Sep 2017 9:40 am

Can we get back to the subject , ( as far as I am concerned it is how to prevent the trout and reservoir being exploited by unscrupulous foreign entrepreneurs and NOT for the benefit of the average Cypriot). before the Mods close it for being off topic.

I am sorry I fell for a wind up and let myself be led off topic. If I am making the "I'm all right Jack contingent) feel uneasy" you can always start a "Lets have a go at Robin because we dont like hard facts " thread.

PS to Waddo: And look what happened Oscar Wilde!

PS to all: Iyi Baylamyar

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Sat 02 Sep 2017 1:57 pm

We saw Little Grebes, Great Crested Grebes, Mallard ducks, a Coot, Freshwater Turtles (Terrapins), a Bonelli's Eagle, three Little Egrets and three Grey Heron at the reservoir this morning but no trout. However it was a bird monitoring exercise and we didn't get that close to the water.

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Mon 04 Sep 2017 6:13 am

Ragged Robin wrote:Iyi Baylamyar

If you are going to quote Turkish phrases you should probably check them for accuracy...

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Mon 04 Sep 2017 6:38 am

Iyi Bayramlar or Bayraminiz kutlu olsun

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Mon 04 Sep 2017 2:14 pm

Hardly in the Bayram spirit to be so picky about a couple of typos in one word, Groucho! Particularly since it was a greeting meant to close an argument in a friendly fashion. Obviously, I have hit a very sore spot and you are feeling guilty.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Mon 04 Sep 2017 4:15 pm

Ragged Robin wrote:Hardly in the Bayram spirit to be so picky about a couple of typos in one word, Groucho! Particularly since it was a greeting meant to close an argument in a friendly fashion. Obviously, I have hit a very sore spot and you are feeling guilty.

Groucho!

Feeling GUILTY???

Ther may be a (faint) chance that you''re right about some things, but you're way off the mark there...

...and if we're being 'picky', you said: -

...the subject ... is how to prevent the trout and reservoir being exploited by unscrupulous foreign entrepreneurs...

...well it isn't, is it?

If you care to take a look at post number one, you will see that the question posed was whether 'anyone could shed more light on...how come there were thousands of baby fish in the water, ...as a Turkish Cypriot friend said that they were from trout eggs which came through the pipeline.'

You took the thread 'off topic' on post 6, banging your usual drum, and Groucho brought it firmly back on topic with an authoritative answer in post 20.

Your serve, I believe...

- and as it's still Bayram, Iyi Bayramlar to you too!

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Mon 04 Sep 2017 5:10 pm

Keith You lead me off topic by one of your windups (of which I am getting extremely fed up) and I have already apologised . No so you!

I believe preservations /conversation is very relevant to the question raised by the OP as well as anyone who cares about this Country as more than a place for booze in the sun!

I have better things to do with the holiday than argue with those who like attacking those they perceive as vulnerable.

END OF TOPIC as far as I am concerned.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Mon 04 Sep 2017 5:41 pm

Ragged Robin wrote:Keith You lead me off topic ...

Oh no I didn't!

You were already well off topic before I even posted!

Check the sequence of posts on the thread!

Please have the good grace to accept responsibility for what you've written.

silverfir · Post by **silverfir** » Mon 04 Sep 2017 9:49 pm

ragged robin, close your laptop (or whatever you use) and say goodnight. You might want to stand outside and look out for an outlander going past

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Tue 05 Sep 2017 5:55 am

Not for a long time yet. Currently my Outlander is a Voltz! Lol!

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Tue 05 Sep 2017 8:21 am

It is notoriously difficult to tell the difference between the fry of rainbow and brown trout with out having them side by side to establish the variety...

If the trout are the brown type that is all the better but even so fish breeding in the reservoir is a bonus not least because it will attract all sorts of birdlife to the resource.

RR I feel no guilt whatsoever... We all bemoaned how English was being massacred on this board and I thought it somewhat ironic that you were mashing-up Turkish. It's a common courtesy to make an effort - but really that should not have passed even a second glance should it?

I well remember a luncheon very early on in our time here spent at the Café de Paris in Girne when two ladies of a certain age sat at adjoining table were overheard trying to say thank-you to Ahmet with the phrase "Tesco-tesco" their interpretation of the phrase "Teşekkürler"

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Tue 05 Sep 2017 2:08 pm

Isnt this getting rather childish? It reminds me of infants class when nasty little boys teased the smallest child and then said "Please Sir it wasnt meit was her". Watch it, or Sir (alias) Mr Posh, will slap all our wrists.

Yes I hate bad English, but I rarely point out in public the many examples I see , and then only if there is ambiguity or I think it is funny and want to share. I never, never point out an error in public when someone who is not a native English speaker makes a mistake., or when it is obviously a typo - we all get overtired sometimes and some of us dont have air con and fingers slip when hot and sticky.

I tried to retire gracefully from this several posts ago, now if you have al had your fun teasing the smaller child perhaps you will let me do so now.

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Tue 05 Sep 2017 4:20 pm

Why has this post degenerated from trout in the new reservoir to English grammar? Please start a new post.

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Tue 05 Sep 2017 5:02 pm

tomsteel wrote:Why has this post degenerated from trout in the new reservoir to English grammar? Please start a new post.

Paranoia,inability to accept a different opinion and an extremely superior attitude to other ex pats who live here

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