what will likely happen come March 2019 at the crossing?

frugal90 · Post by **frugal90** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 7:30 am

Does anyone see any problems getting back and forth from Larnaca come brexit?

The south could be awkward or will the Brit gov, come to an agreement?

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 8:27 am

frugal90 wrote:Does anyone see any problems getting back and forth from Larnaca come brexit?

Possibly

The south could be awkward...

Possibly

...or will the Brit gov, come to an agreement?

Possibly

tutor4u · Post by **tutor4u** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 8:47 am

Does any one care?

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 8:50 am

tutor4u wrote:Does any one care?

Nope!

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 12:54 pm

tutor4u wrote:Does any one care?

Possibly!

Deniz1 · Post by **Deniz1** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 1:04 pm

Maybe a visa situation.

Hedge-fund · Post by **Hedge-fund** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 1:15 pm

frugal90 wrote:Does anyone see any problems getting back and forth from Larnaca come brexit?

The south could be awkward or will the Brit gov, come to an agreement?

I see zero problems as a result of UK independence.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 1:34 pm

Deniz1 wrote:Maybe a visa situation.

I can just see the scene...

GC Official: "So, you want a Visa?"

Me: "Yes please".

GC Official: "Where do you live?"

Me: "In the North".

GC Official "The Computer says 'NO'!...NEXT!"

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 3:14 pm

Can't see any problems either - you will always be able to enter by a recognised "PORT" of entry and Larnaca is a recognised "PORT" so where would there be any problem? Of course you may need a visa as well because you won't be an EU citizen anymore!!

IPMAN · Post by **IPMAN** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 3:42 pm

I cant see a problem to be honest - far too much money spent over there by the Brits! They may be arrogant, and deluded - but money talks!

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 4:40 pm

waddo, methinks the original poster's query was regarding travelling over the crossing north-south and vice versa, not flying into the RoC airports. I could be mistaken. Whatever, time and officialdom will give the answer and as I can not affect, effect or change either, the point is off my radar.

Rosehillgirl · Post by **Rosehillgirl** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 5:07 pm

We lived in the TRNC prior to the border opening in 2004-after the referendum.

When they opened the border they would not allow UK citizens to cross-only Turkish Cypriots The excuse was that as we'd flown into Ercan we'd entered Cyprus illegally.

As the RoC had recently become members of the EU they were told that they must allow EU citizens the cross freely-so they had no choice. People then started to fly in and out of Larnaca-before that it really wasn't an option.

Come the 29/3/19 UK citizens will not be EU members-and so the RoC will have the absolute right to refuse entry to people from the North-who will you complain to?. They can't stop you going North-but they can refuse to allow you back across.

As the RoC has done everything in it's power over the years to destroy any tourist industry in the North I'm sure they'll see this as a golden opportunity to throw a spanner in the works. I don't think it's the opportunity to make money on visa's that will interest them-but the opportunity to put a big dent in the North's economy.

I certainly wouldn't dream of booking any flights next year (I usually book well in advance to save a few bob) to or from Larnaca after the 29/3. I really do believe it will cause problems-I hope I'm wrong.

Rosie

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 5:51 pm

Don't panic, Boris will sort it all out in the end - just ducked another of those flying pigs - lol.

Maisiemoo · Post by **Maisiemoo** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 6:28 pm

End of March 2019 will mark the start of the transition period where nothing will change!

Kath · Post by **Kath** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 6:46 pm

Reciprocal visa arrangements for ROC citizens visiting UK. Who has the most to lose?

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 9:14 pm

Kath wrote:Reciprocal visa arrangements for ROC citizens visiting UK. Who has the most to lose?

Again, missing the point of crossing travel, not entry into the RoC via their airports.

Maisiemoo · Post by **Maisiemoo** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 9:52 pm

tomsteel wrote:[quote

Again, missing the point of crossing travel, not entry into the RoC via their airports.

With respect I am not missing the point as I personally don't think anything will change come March 29th 2019, we will still be subject to EU laws. Maybe things will change at a later date, who knows?

eastendjoker · Post by **eastendjoker** » Thu 15 Feb 2018 10:40 pm

What is the current situation with Swiss and Norwegian nationals ,should imagine what ever it is will be much the same for British nationals .

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Fri 16 Feb 2018 12:25 am

I think the OP's question was basically that (actual date being irrelevant), when UK citizens are no longer EU citizens, while they may be allowed to land at Larnaca, and subsequently allowed by the TRNC to enter the north,, will they then be allowed- when returning (as non-EU citizens) - to freely enter a EU country (the South).....

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Fri 16 Feb 2018 6:07 am

We.......................Just........................don't............................know !

kerry 6138 · Post by **kerry 6138** » Fri 16 Feb 2018 7:10 am

jofra wrote:I think the OP's question was basically that (actual date being irrelevant), when UK citizens are no longer EU citizens, while they may be allowed to land at Larnaca, and subsequently allowed by the TRNC to enter the north,, will they then be allowed- when returning (as non-EU citizens) - to freely enter a EU country (the South).....

The crossing is not a recognised border and is governed by the green line regulations non EU citizens are allowed to cross both ways, if the ROC banned UK nationals unilaterally they would face censure by the EU for discrimination.
If you enter via Ercan that maybe a different matter and that doesnt mean they wont disrupt, delay crossings but has been said no one knows.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 18 Feb 2018 7:59 pm

Such a pity that some are only just waking up to the fact.

Currently UK citizens enjoy the freedoms and privileges that EU citizenship provides.
The divorce from the EU will remove ALL these rights. Including free and unhindered passage to other European countries including of course CYPUS.
Expect NO help from South Cyprus border control when you lose the current status. Visas will most certainly be required as Brits become aliens.

Expect ( if your a Brit) that travel to The TRNC to become significantly more difficult , restricted as well as costly.

silverfir · Post by **silverfir** » Sun 18 Feb 2018 8:37 pm

The voice of doom has spoken!

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 18 Feb 2018 9:06 pm

Certainly entry via Ercan will not be effected.
It is however the restriction and access as a non EU citizen that will present the difficulties when entering or traveling via ROC.

Most certainly the ROC administration have already identified the ensuing vulnerability of British Nationals.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sun 18 Feb 2018 9:10 pm

Keithcaley wrote:We.......................Just........................don't............................know !

You may not know.
It is with some certainty that you will forfeit the rights and privileges awarded by being an EU citizen.

Hedge-fund · Post by **Hedge-fund** » Sun 18 Feb 2018 11:04 pm

It is with 100% certainty that the UK population will be free from the ruinous & corrupt EU.

In securing our own borders we will have our own say in who works and lives in the UK. The EU is waking up to the desperate need for this and is strengthening it's own external borders as a matter of urgency.

As far as UK/EU relations are concerned there will be no visa requirements for visitors.

I think even the most anti British Europhile is not proposing anything more onerous than an ESTA type document (ETIAS) which will be valid for 3 years at a time - and that is certainly not an active part of the negotiations on this topic.

As I said earlier this is a non event and the stuck record, failed project fear scaremongerers will have to try another made up whopper.

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Sun 18 Feb 2018 11:05 pm

Why fly to Malaga to get to Gibralta..?...... Just fly to Ercan

Hedge-fund · Post by **Hedge-fund** » Sun 18 Feb 2018 11:41 pm

turtle wrote:Why fly to Malaga to get to Gibralta..?...... Just fly to Ercan

You can fly direct to Gib so there's no reason to fly to Spain first.

I won't do the London - Ercan trip until direct flights are available.

erol · Post by **erol** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 7:39 am

Hedge-fund wrote:.... project fear scaremongerers will have to try another made up whopper.

The claim, as if it was undeniable fact, that EU membership has been 'ruinous' for the UK population and the idea that whilst within the EU the UK is unable to secure it boarders are themselves clear examples of 'project fear scaremongering whoppers' as far as I can see.

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 10:45 am

A mute point as an aside to the main question. What status will British Service personnel posted to Sovereign Base Areas enjoy? Yes, they can fly into Akrotiri, but what then when they attempt to move to their bases off of that site? RoC checkpoints, visas (for how long), dependents, visiting families and friends, UK career courses, hospitalisation? Sounds like fun times ahead for them.

geroff · Post by **geroff** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 12:29 pm

Scare mongering and speculation, .... nobody can know as nothing has been agreed yet ! .... So why the heck worry about some thing that has an alternative, fly Turkey then onwards ....

One thing is for sure, the GC wont want every one to stop using Larnaca airport as the revenue is most welcome .

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 6:47 pm

Hedge-fund wrote:
turtle wrote:Why fly to Malaga to get to Gibralta..?...... Just fly to Ercan
You can fly direct to Gib so there's no reason to fly to Spain first.

I won't do the London - Ercan trip until direct flights are available.

Direct flights are not the fault of NC as we all know so why line the pockets of the people that are stopping this service ?
If obstacles are placed in your way after Brexit then you will have little choice.

Hedge-fund · Post by **Hedge-fund** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 7:18 pm

erol wrote:
Hedge-fund wrote:.... project fear scaremongerers will have to try another made up whopper.
The claim, as if it was undeniable fact, that EU membership has been 'ruinous' for the UK population and the idea that whilst within the EU the UK is unable to secure it boarders are themselves clear examples of 'project fear scaremongering whoppers' as far as I can see.

I think we can all say without hesitation is that the one thing the EU has done in our 45 years of membership is to underpin the price of catfood. For that we are all truly grateful.

Hedge-fund · Post by **Hedge-fund** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 7:22 pm

turtle wrote:
Hedge-fund wrote:
turtle wrote:Why fly to Malaga to get to Gibralta..?...... Just fly to Ercan
You can fly direct to Gib so there's no reason to fly to Spain first.

I won't do the London - Ercan trip until direct flights are available.
Direct flights are not the fault of NC as we all know so why line the pockets of the people that are stopping this service ?
If obstacles are placed in your way after Brexit then you will have little choice.

The Cyprus problem is for Cypriots to solve and I hope they do it this year. If they don't - Larnaca will remain the favoured route.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 7:34 pm

Oh
So we have no problem at all.

Of course Larnaca will welcome arrivals from EU states and of course the UK. When you travel Northwards and cross the unfriendly border as an alien things may change significantly. No problem there.

The EU is ruinous and corrupt. Hmmm.... very damning. So was Germany when it went to war in Europe twice in recent history. Millions killed.
And now we want to return to this pre 1945 stand alone xenophobic stance. That will certainly provide and maintain peace in our time. Peace prevails with certainty within the Union.

Cat food prices are stable !! sums up some blinkered attitudes to the new and modern world we live and compete in.

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 9:12 pm

Please keep on topic.

If you wish to discuss Brexit etc, there is a thread for this already or you can start a new thread.

This topic is specifically about the border crossing post March 2019.

Thanks

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 9:26 pm

I believe the topic makes specific reference to a post BREXIT issue ( see opening post) in crossing the border between TRNC and Southern Cyprus.
It is fair and proper to keep BREXIT within the discussion as per the specific notation.

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 9:54 pm

So was Germany when it went to war in Europe twice in recent history. Millions killed.
And now we want to return to this pre 1945 stand alone xenophobic stance. That will certainly provide and maintain peace in our time. Peace prevails with certainty within the Union......hmmmm

Waz i think that speaks volumes about Germany... if it behaves itself then there is no reason whatsoever why we have to be wedded to it...lets not forget the UK did not start any wars Germany did and you are saying we should stay in the EU to keep an eye on them ? Strange reason to stay in imo

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 9:58 pm

waz-24-7 wrote:Such a pity that some are only just waking up to the fact.

Currently UK citizens enjoy the freedoms and privileges that EU citizenship provides.
The divorce from the EU will remove ALL these rights. Including free and unhindered passage to other European countries including of course CYPUS.
Expect NO help from South Cyprus border control when you lose the current status. Visas will most certainly be required as Brits become aliens.

Expect ( if your a Brit) that travel to The TRNC to become significantly more difficult , restricted as well as costly.

May I ask how you will continue to visit TRNC if the problems you foresee become reality?

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 10:15 pm

waz-24-7 wrote:I believe the topic makes specific reference to a post BREXIT issue ( see opening post) in crossing the border between TRNC and Southern Cyprus.
It is fair and proper to keep BREXIT within the discussion as per the specific notation.

Please note I did not refer directly to a post by any member.

I have asked that the posts are kept on topic and in my opinion a couple of posts and comments made were drifting off topic.

Once again I politely request that posts are kept on topic.

Thank you.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 10:22 pm

elizabeth wrote:
waz-24-7 wrote:Such a pity that some are only just waking up to the fact.

Currently UK citizens enjoy the freedoms and privileges that EU citizenship provides.
The divorce from the EU will remove ALL these rights. Including free and unhindered passage to other European countries including of course CYPUS.
Expect NO help from South Cyprus border control when you lose the current status. Visas will most certainly be required as Brits become aliens.

Expect ( if your a Brit) that travel to The TRNC to become significantly more difficult , restricted as well as costly.
May I ask how you will continue to visit TRNC if the problems you foresee become reality?

I will continue to use Larnaca or Paphos as my chosen port of entry based on the convenience offered travelling from my home in Shropshire.
As an EU citizen I have FREE right of passage. When this is taken away from me in 2019 and as matters develop over next two years in particular I may need to re assess how I enter TRNC.
Certainly as I have indicated. I think travel via Southern Cyprus will become more difficult, even risky.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 10:37 pm

turtle wrote:So was Germany when it went to war in Europe twice in recent history. Millions killed.
And now we want to return to this pre 1945 stand alone xenophobic stance. That will certainly provide and maintain peace in our time. Peace prevails with certainty within the Union......hmmmm

Waz i think that speaks volumes about Germany... if it behaves itself then there is no reason whatsoever why we have to be wedded to it...lets not forget the UK did not start any wars Germany did and you are saying we should stay in the EU to keep an eye on them ? Strange reason to stay in imo

Turtle my point is.
In a unified Europe which we have seen for past 40 plus years and under the EUROPEAN UNION. Peace and prosperity has prevailed in comparison to the 1914 - 1945 period.

The return to the power hungry xenophobic stand alone regimes that have plagued Europe for centuries is in my view a recipe for territorial disagreements , strife and yes even a return to conflict.

The UK has , in my opinion, made a grave mistake in taking a short sighted decision that could lead us back into historical unrest and strife.

Further more the "make Britain great again" brigade have missed the point. We are not the power house that we were once. Those heady days are long gone. Others have taken up the reigns as is always the case historically. I fear our mediocre current position will be further eroded once we depart from the European table of influence.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 10:46 pm

PoshinDevon wrote:
waz-24-7 wrote:I believe the topic makes specific reference to a post BREXIT issue ( see opening post) in crossing the border between TRNC and Southern Cyprus.
It is fair and proper to keep BREXIT within the discussion as per the specific notation.
Please note I did not refer directly to a post by any member.

I have asked that the posts are kept on topic and in my opinion a couple of posts and comments made were drifting off topic.

Once again I politely request that posts are kept on topic.

Thank you.

Hmmm
Not sure about your impartiality there Posh.
You clearly reference my post "Quote"

Are we still on topic given the clear reference to BREXIT ( March 2019)...Its in the heading !!

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 10:54 pm

Waz Sorry i can't keep up with your contradictions ?...first you say we are not the powehouse we were 40 yrs ago but we have been under the heavy influence of the EU all that time.....are you saying it's the EU that has eroded our strength ?

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Mon 19 Feb 2018 11:47 pm

Posh in Devon has been very courteous and polite - unfortunately, I am not, so when I say that "a very few" posters appear to be rabid (unstable) fanatics (each pro- and anti- 'Brexit') and take over, appropriate and hog one thread after another just for the sole purpose of attacking each other, I hope, pray and wish that they physically find each other and literally batter the few brain cells that they possess out of each other!
Then - and only then - will the rest of us be able to conduct sensible and civilised discussions and conversations...
I (and I believe, the majority of members) soon became aware that some are/were in favour of "Brexit", while others are/were not - but we do NOT rant and rave and forever take over other (fairly) sensible and reasonable queries/responses/conversations...
So grow up, and (to put it politely) GO AWAY and sort out your stupid fanatical ideologies face to face and off this forum!
Apologies to all who consider I have gone too far!

Deniz1 · Post by **Deniz1** » Tue 20 Feb 2018 1:14 pm

Why worry about what might or might not happen. We can do nothing to change whatever comes along so wait and see. All part of lifes rich pattern.

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Tue 20 Feb 2018 2:39 pm

Posh in Devon has been very courteous and polite - unfortunately, I am not…. I think we can agree on that.
and take over, appropriate and hog one thread after another just for the sole purpose of attacking each other….Do your homework I personally have not spoken about said subject for over 6 months in fact I have rarely posted for the last 6 months.
I hope, pray and wish that they physically find each other and literally batter the few brain cells that they possess out of each other!.... What a horrible person you are.
but we do NOT rant and rave and forever take over other (fairly) sensible and reasonable queries/responses/conversations .....Not true and already answered above….massive over reaction.
GO AWAY and sort out your stupid fanatical ideologies face to face and off this forum! …. No problem Mr Self appointed moderator, I think a good few other posters have gone away recently because of the attitude of the “Special Thread Committee” that seem to running this forum now.

Let’s not get all upset now …it’s only a public forum at the end of the day .

geroff · Post by **geroff** » Tue 20 Feb 2018 2:53 pm

Well said turtle... to many dont like a debate and try to put you down when you do have an oppinion that doesnt match their ideologies ....

Your posts are always very frank and to the point, so maybe those that dont like your views should butt out !

Off topic I know the above , but turtle, I agree with your take on the border crossing, all silly hype from some, maybe they have a 'Chrystal Ball' ...

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Tue 20 Feb 2018 5:03 pm

Time now to get back on topic, please.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Tue 20 Feb 2018 7:10 pm

It would be interesting to know (perhaps some do?) how many of the above posters are "swallows" (to whom problems at the border would mean difficulty in accessing holiday homes and getting 2p off a packet of cornflakes by "going South" to shop) and how many are permanent residents who have made their home here and to whom it could mean difficulty in visiting and being visited by their families, not to mention difficulty in returning to the UK for health reasons,

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