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[turtle]

A natural conversation seldom stays on one subject,.. peoples views and comments can take the conversation in all sorts of directions.

Perhaps to you a conversation should be on the lines of.... Hello Tom how are you today...and Tom replies I am fine thank you ....end of conversation ?

[jofra]

I had to look up SJW.

So you had never heard the phrase? Yeah right.

Before the mandatory "off topic" uproar -
Slightly amusing but extremely sad that such an arrogant, patronising and insulting "yeah right" response is given - if (perhaps in another thread?) it was asked just how many recognise that acronym I wonder what percentage would have known?
I definitely did not and had to look it up - I know what SJ stands for - or I thought I did; apparently SJ (according to the urban dictionary) is vastly different from S.J. - the latter is the only one I knew...
So, "Yeah right" - what does that infer or imply regarding ME - and how many others?

[turtle]

How has this got so far from the original theme of 'bright light's' in the Eastern Mediterranean and no Mod has intervened?

Because Tom it is a mod who has helped take this thread to where it is now...Simples.

[jofra]

I think it was message 27 where it took a left(?) - or right(?)-turn........

or (in order to NOT offend sensibilities) should I say "was derailed/diverted".....

[waz-24-7]

The plain fact upon immigration, migration of people ,cultures, religions and politics. Is that the world has become ever smaller particularly with the introduction of the world wide web, global connectivity, social media, the demise of enforced restrictions upon freedoms of thought and communication.

The world is increasingly multi cultural, multi ethnic and borders are becoming less and less defined and controllable.

The notion that a country can become ethnically isolated and or sustain a policy of exclusion is simply out of touch with the inevitable. That inevitable is that mankind will soon outrun itself as the planet becomes a global village.
Indeed there is a clear possibility mankind will destroy itself as a result of some or a power hungry dictator who thinks that the global village is their exclusive domain to the exclusion of all others.

[Hedge-fund]

Waz you need help mate.

[Hedge-fund]

I had to look up SJW.

So you had never heard the phrase? Yeah right.

Before the mandatory "off topic" uproar -
Slightly amusing but extremely sad that such an arrogant, patronising and insulting "yeah right" response is given - if (perhaps in another thread?) it was asked just how many recognise that acronym I wonder what percentage would have known?
I definitely did not and had to look it up - I know what SJ stands for - or I thought I did; apparently SJ (according to the urban dictionary) is vastly different from S.J. - the latter is the only one I knew...
So, "Yeah right" - what does that infer or imply regarding ME - and how many others?

I genuinely thought sjw was in sex in the city.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I had to look up SJW.

So you had never heard the phrase? Yeah right.

Before the mandatory "off topic" uproar -
Slightly amusing but extremely sad that such an arrogant, patronising and insulting "yeah right" response is given - if (perhaps in another thread?) it was asked just how many recognise that acronym I wonder what percentage would have known?
I definitely did not and had to look it up - I know what SJ stands for - or I thought I did; apparently SJ (according to the urban dictionary) is vastly different from S.J. - the latter is the only one I knew...
So, "Yeah right" - what does that infer or imply regarding ME - and how many others?

I'm assuming this isn't a picking at a tiny thread and feigning hurt tactic? Sorry to be cynical but it's a classic SJW tactic.

Yeah right wasn't aimed at anyone but Erol. I'm not saying it is an acronym that everyone would know but I would expect him to know it.
I might argue with what the hell Erol is reading but I would say he is well read on politics so I just expressed my scepticism. After all he did immediately find and discard several definitions of SJW before finding one that suited.
I’m still not buying it, but if he has stayed in his safe space for the last ten years and not heard the phrase then my reply probably was off hand.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I think it was message 27 where it took a left(?) - or right(?)-turn........

or (in order to NOT offend sensibilities) should I say "was derailed/diverted".....

I guess the thread went off topic because waz scaremongering post annoyed me.
I am not keen on the “I didn’t vote for Brexit so am now looking forward to the country collapsing” or “America had 9/11 coming because of their foreign policy” kind of posts.

Unfortunately I bought in the phrase immigration which is a red rag to the left and bought in Erol. Any mention that we might need to slow immigration down as we’re getting very full now will get the left out with their Guardian quotes and statistics.

A future warning here. Pointing out that someone in the UK owning a 50 inch plasma 3D smart television might mean they are not as poor as an Ethiopian subsidence farmer will also draw their fire.

With hindsight had I had read waz’s 18th April post on the global village first I would have probably just smiled nervously and made sure all the sharp objects were secure and not replied.

[erol]

Unfortunately I bought in the phrase immigration which is a red rag to the left and bought in Erol. Any mention that we might need to slow immigration down as we’re getting very full now will get the left out with their Guardian quotes and statistics.

From my perspective it was not that you brought in the phrase immigration. It was that you chose to do so by using a phrase, "[UK's] open door [immigration] policy" that in my view was and is itself a form of 'scaremongering' and just not true in order to criticise waz's post for the very thing I considered you yourself were doing - scaremongering.

If you had said "Considering there are more than enough potential Syrian terrorists in the UK due to our over lax or ineffective immigration policy" then I almost certainly would not have commented at all.

[erol]

After all he did immediately find and discard several definitions of SJW before finding one that suited.

What I could have done.

Find a definition I 'liked', quote part of it whilst not providing the link to the source where the other definitions are and make no mention myself when doing so that the one I was quoting was one of several such definitions.

What I actually did.

Explicitly state "There are several definitions", provided the link where all such definitions could be found and then quoted the section from the definition that was most relevant to the point I was trying to make at that time.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Unfortunately I bought in the phrase immigration which is a red rag to the left and bought in Erol. Any mention that we might need to slow immigration down as we’re getting very full now will get the left out with their Guardian quotes and statistics.

From my perspective it was not that you brought in the phrase immigration. It was that you chose to do so by using a phrase, "[UK's] open door [immigration] policy" that in my view was and is itself a form of 'scaremongering' and just not true in order to criticise waz's post for the very thing I considered you yourself were doing - scaremongering.

If you had said "Considering there are more than enough potential Syrian terrorists in the UK due to our over lax or ineffective immigration policy" then I almost certainly would not have commented at all.

Well you know what they say a conservative is bad at explaining good ideas whereas a liberal is good at explaining bad ideas.
Surprised you found the phrase open door more scaremongering than a made up threat of nerve gas but still whatever pushes your buttons I guess.

[erol]

Surprised you found the phrase open door more scaremongering

Not more scaremongering just more hypocritical. That is what pushed my buttons

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Surprised you found the phrase open door more scaremongering

Not more scaremongering just more hypocritical. That is what pushed my buttons

Ok let’s examine hypocrisy.
Let’s be honest you know our immigration policy is a mess but you have to try and defend it to keep up the liberal narrative.

Somebody uses the phrase open door you’ll hammer away at that as being untrue as the UK doesn’t officially have an open door policy. Not wishing to give you the slightest thread to try to pull away at let’s say we have a regulated immigration policy where none of the regulations are worth a light.
You can’t go down the route that the UK should throw their doors open because that won’t play well so you keep vague and say you agree we need better rules but obviously you can hammer away at any rules in the future.
Your quote below is illuminating.

There is only one system that will or can provide 100% accuracy, that will ensure not a single person who does not have a right to enter and remain in the UK manages to do so. That would be an absolute 'closed door' policy that says because we can not guarantee that no one will ever be able to slip through the net of any immigration policy however constructed and implemented, we will therefore simply allow no immigration at all. Is this what you really mean when you say you want 'sensible immigration controls' ?

Do you liberals go to a try and nail a jelly to the wall classes?
You perfect the art of appearing to answer a question in some length but go nowhere near it. Epic ten point answers that actually concentrate on one minor point allow you to ignore the rest.

You act incredulous that I suggest that we don’t deport people who lie about their asylum status but go very quiet when I ask how many examples you want.

Liberals usually try to close down a debate on immigration quickly by using the racist card but given I pointed this out early, that closed off that tactic so you cleverly personalised it. “Have I called you a racist?” etc.
You got a bit carried away by asking has anyone here called you a racist which I replied by quoting Wazs post as probably near as dammit going in that direction. That took the wind out of your sails I guess as you ignored it. Twice.
I also asked whether the remain campaign consistently label leavers racist but you continue to refuse to answer that too. I'm interested to learn if I keep pressing whether you are going to go the feigned wasn't aware of that route?

Not wanting to openly criticise the xenophobic UK you went down the well trodden path of how wonderful the likes of Australia, France, and Germany etc are doing with asylum seekers. Without going down population density again, mainly because I nearly spat out my coffee laughing when you swapped Canada for the Lebanon; I mentioned Australia’s detention centre on Nauru and the rise of the far right throughout Europe and again you remain quiet.
I understand why because in countries where the liberals have taken hold the far right has grown at a worrying rate. In the UK which our liberals will label xenophobic, racist, colonial etc etc the far right makes zero impact. Or do you have another view?

Try to go back to the original point I’ve asked you a couple of times whether you felt you would be safer from revenge attacks in the UK than North Cyprus? Still waiting to hear back on that.

But here is the million euro question what would you call 4 million immigrants in 15 years?
Too many, not enough or about right?
Or is the figure wrong?

But we both know you won’t answer that.

[erol]

It is clear that the 'immigration' part of this discussion is 'off topic' and that is annoying to some people. To those people I say sorry. I have tried to split off the 'immigration' part so it can continue, for those who are interested (which may well be no one other than me) to it's own separate thread, which can be found here http://www.kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/v ... =8&t=42284 . Be warned it is about immigration. Be warned also my first response in that thread that is a reply to the above post is long, no doubt boring to many, no doubt unintelligible to others.

There is one section in the above post demanding (requesting ?) a reply (again) that is 'on topic' for this thread and 'off topic' for the other 'immigration thread. So ill answer that part here. The rest is in the other thread or ignore as is my right.

[erol]

Try to go back to the original point I’ve asked you a couple of times whether you felt you would be safer from revenge attacks in the UK than North Cyprus?

I think the chance (statistical, for that is the kind of nerd that I am) that I personally am seriously injured or killed as the result of a 'terrorist attack' or an 'attack of war' is in the same ball park for both the UK and TRNC. That the chance is 'lottery numbers' in either location. That is I think the chance in either location is ball park around 1 in 10,000,000. Now to a degree this number is 'plucked out of thin air' but I think it is ball park accurate for both places. With ball park meaning within one order of magnitude either way. Again sorry I am a nerd, and I do realise that for non nerds 'one order of magnitude may not mean much. It means basically '10 times'. So my opinion, that I do not think matters very much but have been 'forced' to share even though I think this by repeated request to 'answer the question' is that the chance in either the UK or the TRNC is somewhere between I in 100,000,000 (one hundred million) and 1 in 1,000,000 (one million). Or ball park 1 in 10,000,000 (ten million)

To try and place that in some kind of context, I think my chance of being seriously injured or killed as a result of a road traffic accident, in either the UK or the TRNC is in the ball park of 1 in 10,000. Or somewhere between 1 in 100,000 and 1 in 1,000. Or three order of magnitude less that the chance of such as a result of terrorist attack / war. Or 1000 times less likely, if you do not like 'order of magnitude'.

That is my view. I do not think it was particularly worth sharing but I have been 'called out' (and called out and called out) to answer it so I have and I think it is on topic for this thread as well so there is that as well (unless I am wrong).

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Try to go back to the original point I’ve asked you a couple of times whether you felt you would be safer from revenge attacks in the UK than North Cyprus?

I think the chance (statistical, for that is the kind of nerd that I am) that I personally am seriously injured or killed as the result of a 'terrorist attack' or an 'attack of war' is in the same ball park for both the UK and TRNC. That the chance is 'lottery numbers' in either location. That is I think the chance in either location is ball park around 1 in 10,000,000. Now to a degree this number is 'plucked out of thin air' but I think it is ball park accurate for both places. With ball park meaning within one order of magnitude either way. Again sorry I am a nerd, and I do realise that for non nerds 'one order of magnitude may not mean much. It means basically '10 times'. So my opinion, that I do not think matters very much but have been 'forced' to share even though I think this by repeated request to 'answer the question' is that the chance in either the UK or the TRNC is somewhere between I in 100,000,000 (one hundred million) and 1 in 1,000,000 (one million). Or ball park 1 in 10,000,000 (ten million)

To try and place that in some kind of context, I think my chance of being seriously injured or killed as a result of a road traffic accident, in either the UK or the TRNC is in the ball park of 1 in 10,000. Or somewhere between 1 in 100,000 and 1 in 1,000. Or three order of magnitude less that the chance of such as a result of terrorist attack / war. Or 1000 times less likely, if you do not like 'order of magnitude'.

That is my view. I do not think it was particularly worth sharing but I have been 'called out' (and called out and called out) to answer it so I have and I think it is on topic for this thread as well so there is that as well (unless I am wrong).

So to just pick out the bones of an answer and without going down the lines of we are statistically more likely to be killed by a falling Ferrero Rocher than a terrorist bomb.

You think that you would be equally in danger from a terrorist attack in revenge for the bombings in Syria in North Cyprus than the UK?

I'll be honest I'm sceptical.

[erol]

You think that you would be equally in danger from a terrorist attack in revenge for the bombings in Syria in North Cyprus than the UK?

Pretty much yes my best guesstimate is that in either place the chances are in the same ball park. One may 8 million to one and the other may be 11 million to one but both are 'lottery odds' in my estimation compared to things like road traffic accidents which are significantly more likely - in the region of 1000 times more likely. I do not have strong opinions on this at all nor does it particularly interest me but if forced to think about it and answer then that is the answer I get.