Flights to larnaca after brexit

[waz-24-7]

My own view remains that the damage to the UK and its economy will be significant and long term.
Anyone that takes the view that the experts were wrong before the referendum should now re visit the current consensus from experts that the damage over next years will hit all economic sectors without exclusion.

Any of your experts among these 364?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/per ... wrong.html

BTW we had been in the EU nine years by 1981 and the country was still in a right state so obviously joining wasn't a short term fix so leaving and undoing won't be either.
We had a leave vote in 1975 and took another 41 years to get another,r so to be more than fair how about we leave and have another vote in say 20 years? Trust me they'll have us back

Enjoy
It is highly likely that many of those 364 are dead !
To remain on topic... So in 20 yrs ( when you propose a vote) we may possibly look forward to easier movement and freedoms within the European union and indeed Cyprus.

[Chriswright03]

In reality none of us know what it will be like post brexit so speculation whilst it seems amuses some it really is pointless. Unless you have a crystal ball of course in which case could I have next week's winning lottery numbers?

There has been a vote and the result was to leave. Maybe next time there is a General Election and we don't like the outcome we can ask for another vote!

Whatever happens with the border when the time comes we have no control over it so we will have to put our Big Person's trousers on and deal with it in the best way that suits us individually. Scare mongering appears to be a favourite hobby of some and the enjoyment they get out of it baffles me but hey each to their own.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

My own view remains that the damage to the UK and its economy will be significant and long term.
Anyone that takes the view that the experts were wrong before the referendum should now re visit the current consensus from experts that the damage over next years will hit all economic sectors without exclusion.

Any of your experts among these 364?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/per ... wrong.html

BTW we had been in the EU nine years by 1981 and the country was still in a right state so obviously joining wasn't a short term fix so leaving and undoing won't be either.
We had a leave vote in 1975 and took another 41 years to get another,r so to be more than fair how about we leave and have another vote in say 20 years? Trust me they'll have us back

Enjoy
It is highly likely that many of those 364 are dead !
To remain on topic... So in 20 yrs ( when you propose a vote) we may possibly look forward to easier movement and freedoms within the European union and indeed Cyprus.

Probably. You obviously have totally missed my point.

In 20 yrs time the EU will be a very different entity to what it is now.
I think the membership will be vastly reduced and it will be a trading union rather than a United States of Europe.
You know, a bit like what we thought it would be.

[waz-24-7]

I would agree that in 20 yrs the EU and indeed planet Earth will be very different. This is why I take post that refer to the "good old days" with a large pinch of salt.

Is the EU not a trading Union already?
United States of Europe. I think not given the array of languages , currencies and cultural difference across the Union.
It is the co operation, common goals of peace and prosperity and strength in size that will ensure the onward progression of the Union.

Clearly the current divorce proceedings will restrict the UK from the same unified progression and travel within the EU will be more difficult and so travelling into Larnaca will be more difficult as freedom of movement with the EU is forfeited. Travel from Larnaca into the TRNC could be rather more problematic also.

[Mr Chinnery]

Waz,
There are some people and I am one, that will continue to ‘Just get on with it’ despite any difficulties. Maybe it is a generational thing.
The older generation don’t melt and burst into tears when something doesn’t go their way.
There is nothing you or I can do about it and which ever way the brexit vote had gone I would not be calling for another vote, because you know what, I believe in democracy.
Yes of course you can petition for another vote, but guess what , you are not going to get one.

[waz-24-7]

Waz,
There are some people and I am one, that will continue to ‘Just get on with it’ despite any difficulties. Maybe it is a generational thing.
The older generation don’t melt and burst into tears when something doesn’t go their way.
There is nothing you or I can do about it and which ever way the brexit vote had gone I would not be calling for another vote, because you know what, I believe in democracy.
Yes of course you can petition for another vote, but guess what , you are not going to get one.

Mr C
Thank you.
I firmly believe that the stage has changed very significantly in past 24 months.
The UK people have been largely hoodwinked and left in a position of uncertainty that threatens so much and so many. (mainly working people)
I am not petitioning for another vote. I feel strongly the UK population should be given the chance to ratify or reject any deal put forward.
Certainly at this moment there is NO deal.

Given the Chequers deal that Mrs May has promoted. BREXIT supporters would reject it hands down.

Your notion to "get on with it" is indeed a noble one, for you.
However that is not really fair given the emergence of factors otherwise not considered previously like the original post which refers directly to what will happen at Larnaca after that person relinquishes their EU passport.

[waddo]

As far as being able to freely transition between the North and South after my much maligned EU/UK passport becomes a simple UK passport and of course regardless if it is a deal or no deal with Brexit, then things for UK citizens who have chosen to live out their lives here within the TRNC are going to change!

It may be that things will change "radically" for those termed "Swallows" and for those few holiday makers who try to fly the Larnaca/Paphos routes and then cross into the TRNC from the RoC. It may be that the RoC will allow those with a UK passport to continue as things are right now. Nobody knows what is in the future, certainly not I. Maybe the French will allow a full deal for the UK but only if the UK agrees that the French actually won at Waterloo, which they always contend that they did!

For sure the only thing that my wife and I can do is continue to follow the sage words of Lee Childs - "Hope for the best, Plan for the worst" - and wait to see what tomorrow may bring.

You never know, maybe Trump will buy out Korineum Golf Course or even acknowledge the country provided that they change the name to TTRNC!

Have you got a plan already - sleep easy at night. No plan yet - BET364. Enjoy the day, there will be another one around tomorrow.

[Mr Chinnery]

Waz,
I have said it before, if travelling via Larnaca is going to be problematic or not possible to gain access to TRNC, those people will just have to bite the bullet and travel via Istanbul.
If people bought a property in the TRNC post 2004 because they could get ‘cheap’ flight to the south then they took a risk because they didn’t calculate what could go wrong should the crossing points become problematic. If however they
bought knowing that if problems did arise they could ‘afford’ to travel via Istanbul then all well and good.

When the cheap airlines arrived some years ago and the likes of Ryanair were flying to airports in the back and beyond of some countries, there was an influx of people buying houses because of this initiative - not thinking that one day if the Airline withdrew that service they would be stuck. The only way for them to get to their property would be flying to
an Airport many many miles away and either hiring a car or taking a taxi, very expensive indeed. If however they had taken this expense into consideration should things not work out then fine.

So the ones who have bought in the TRNC with a view to getting there come what May will get there.
The others will either have to either sell up or just carry on whinging about Brexit.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Is the EU not a trading Union already?
United States of Europe. I think not given the array of languages , currencies and cultural difference across the Union.

If you think the EU is just a trading union and the plan is not to have a United States of Europe then it is you that has been hoodwinked.

[waz-24-7]

Is the EU not a trading Union already?
United States of Europe. I think not given the array of languages , currencies and cultural difference across the Union.

If you think the EU is just a trading union and the plan is not to have a United States of Europe then it is you that has been hoodwinked.

Hmmm
No, I simply indicated it is a single market economy. A United States of Europe is not my wish. It is not on the agenda that I can see and it would be foolish to try and predict the politics of any of the member states.
What is certain is that the freedom of movement that so many brexiteers want to stop will now come along and bite the UK on the butt.
Hence the query within the original post.
You just cant have your cake and eat it

[frugal90]

I still haven't booked my flights, but I have noticed that Turkish Airline flights are really expensive. It really is a difficult place to get to from Scotland (suggestions welcomed). I have written to my MP and asked him to find out, will be interesting to see how he gets on with that one?? When do pegasus release their schedules, does anyone know?

thanks for the debate which I have been following.

[PoshinDevon]

This topic is about flights to Larnaca post Brexit. Please keep on topic.

Of course there are many aspects to Brexit which have either been discussed in other threads or can be discussed by opening a new topic.

With regards flights to Larnaca, I still maintain that if things change and it becomes more difficult for whatever reason, then people will adapt .....yes we may moan a little but at the end of the day we will still find a way to visit the TRNC. If people love North Cyprus enough they will still travel.....if as you say Waz that young people may opt not to travel because its ‘to difficult”, I pity them as they go thro life........if they cannot sort out travel then they really are “snowflakes” and are going to struggle with the bigger problems and challenges that life throws at them.

But at the moment no one knows what may or may not happen......predicting doom beforehand is really a bit silly.

[waz-24-7]

This topic is about flights to Larnaca post Brexit. Please keep on topic.

Of course there are many aspects to Brexit which have either been discussed in other threads or can be discussed by opening a new topic.

With regards flights to Larnaca, I still maintain that if things change and it becomes more difficult for whatever reason, then people will adapt .....yes we may moan a little but at the end of the day we will still find a way to visit the TRNC. If people love North Cyprus enough they will still travel.....if as you say Waz that young people may opt not to travel because its ‘to difficult”, I pity them as they go thro life........if they cannot sort out travel then they really are “snowflakes” and are going to struggle with the bigger problems and challenges that life throws at them.

But at the moment no one knows what may or may not happen......predicting doom beforehand is really a bit silly.

Posh,
Whilst I agree on the keep on topic request.
It is BREXIT that has instigated this question.
My own views are well known and as 2019 looms and the loss of European citizenship for UK citizens. It is fair and proper that the wider implications of Brexit are highlighted.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

A United States of Europe is not my wish. It is not on the agenda that I can see and it would be foolish to try and predict the politics of any of the member states.

Not my wish either that's why I voted to leave.

As for it not seeing it being on the agenda, I think Stevie Wonder could see it.
If you centralise the currency, trade, the army, border controls, the law have integrated foreign and defence policies of member states does that not have a smell of a United States of Europe to you?

Tennessee can pass some state laws, some minor taxation and has it's own police force.
So if you want to be the equivalent of Tennessee then great keep pushing for the EU but do so with your eyes open.

[waz-24-7]

A United States of Europe is not my wish. It is not on the agenda that I can see and it would be foolish to try and predict the politics of any of the member states.

Not my wish either that's why I voted to leave.

As for it not seeing it being on the agenda, I think Stevie Wonder could see it.
If you centralise the currency, trade, the army, border controls, the law have integrated foreign and defence policies of member states does that not have a smell of a United States of Europe to you?

Tennessee can pass some state laws, some minor taxation and has it's own police force.
So if you want to be the equivalent of Tennessee then great keep pushing for the EU but do so with your eyes open.

There is NOT a united states of Europe. This is rather unlikely given reasons that I have indicated previously and over time.
The benefits of the European Union are many and there are issues that have left many disgruntled.

Generally speaking however. Prosperity, peace and security has prevailed within Europe since the last of the great wars of last century.
This alone is reason enough to keep together and unified within reason.

Enjoy,
Your own projection for the united states of Europe is the BREXITEERS "project fear"

[PoshinDevon]

This is a topic about Flights to Larnaca post Brexit. Let’s keep things on topic. That way if anyone wants to know, discuss or has information on what may happen when travelling to or from the ROC via Larnaca this is the place for it. As we get closer to leaving the EU, the rules/regulations etc re travel via Larnaca might become clearer and help those travelling. To have to trawl thro posts which are not relevant can be tedious and time consuming.

The wider aspects of Brexit have been discussed on other threads which can easily be resurrected or alternatively start a new topic.

Off topic posts will be deleted.

[jofra]

What a very selective copy - the main part of post 1 said "Going to book flights for next april/may. What are thoughts about backwards and forwards across the green line after brexit?"
This was NOT an invitation to post/REPEAT diatribes about "inevitable" doom and disaster following the democratic choice of the electorate, but a plain and simple request for conjectures regarding possible changes/difficulties in crossing the green line.
While my choice in the referendum is my business only, I freely and willingly state that I agree with SOME of your views, but this thread/post is NOT about that!
At the moment, everything regarding the original question is merely supposition, and until legislation, laws and regulations appear IN PRINT - please leave political persuasions out of it!
"It is clear that BREXIT remains high on the agenda of peoples concerns and worries." - ....High on your agenda... but (mostly) others? I wonder....

[PoshinDevon]

Waz- Your last post has been deleted. Off topic.

Please do not persist in trying to add your wider thoughts re Brexit to this topic, they are often only what you have repeated many times before. This topic is specifically about flights to Larnaca post Brexit, the problems that may occur on arrival or possible issues crossing the border.

As I have stated in an earlier post, either resurrect an earlier Brexit post or start a new topic with a clear title/subject.

Thank You.

[kibsolar1999]

Well then.. come back to topic… erol said:
“Actually the EU regulation that stopped the RoC from being able to unilateraly restrict the crossing of foreigners over the Green line did so for both EU citizens and non EU citizens.”
Because… the EU decided that the green line is an “inner EU border”..… remember… with the accession of the Roc to the EU, the territory of the TRNC is part of the EU.
As the “free movement” was a big issue in the vote, to be expected restrictions for UK citizens after brexit most probably will be same as the UK will restrict access for EU citizens: tourist visas, say 30 or 90 days, given at border.
If a “non European” flies in to ECN, then they can not cross the green line into the Roc, as at the green line (the inner EU border) no visas are granted.
So,for UK holiday makers there should be no problem to arrive in LCA, cross the green line into the TRNC and back into the Roc within the given visa period, and fly out via LCA..
If you fly in via LCA and out via ECN, you are not registered that you left the Roc (passport control at LCA) and you breached EU visa regulations. You are illegal in the EU. That might be reported to a EU databank and you may get problems to enter ANY EU country afterwards, but most certainly if you want to enter the Roc later again. That scenario also is possible eg, when you missed the 30-90 days Roc visa and at the green line they refuse entry back into the Roc because you do not have a valid visa..
So, either you fly in and out via ECN and you can not cross the green line into the roc, or you fly in and out via LCA within given EU visa times.

[Kanonier]

Well then.. come back to topic… erol said:
“Actually the EU regulation that stopped the RoC from being able to unilateraly restrict the crossing of foreigners over the Green line did so for both EU citizens and non EU citizens.”
Because… the EU decided that the green line is an “inner EU border”..… remember… with the accession of the Roc to the EU, the territory of the TRNC is part of the EU.
As the “free movement” was a big issue in the vote, to be expected restrictions for UK citizens after brexit most probably will be same as the UK will restrict access for EU citizens: tourist visas, say 30 or 90 days, given at border.
If a “non European” flies in to ECN, then they can not cross the green line into the Roc, as at the green line (the inner EU border) no visas are granted.
So,for UK holiday makers there should be no problem to arrive in LCA, cross the green line into the TRNC and back into the Roc within the given visa period, and fly out via LCA..
If you fly in via LCA and out via ECN, you are not registered that you left the Roc (passport control at LCA) and you breached EU visa regulations. You are illegal in the EU. That might be reported to a EU databank and you may get problems to enter ANY EU country afterwards, but most certainly if you want to enter the Roc later again. That scenario also is possible eg, when you missed the 30-90 days Roc visa and at the green line they refuse entry back into the Roc because you do not have a valid visa..
So, either you fly in and out via ECN and you can not cross the green line into the roc, or you fly in and out via LCA within given EU visa times.

To my mind a very clear answer, couldn't have put it better myself. Like everything else in life "You pays your money and you takes your choice".

[waddo]

frugal90 - I think that if you agree that tourism is what is keeping the whole Island afloat and that the RoC wants all tourists to remain in the RoC then this little item says it all now and for the future: http://www.kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/v ... 55&t=44127

So if you are still asking about flights into and out of LCA in 2019 and onwards and you are a tourist and therefore intending to add to the coffers of the TRNC then think hard about what the RoC will think of you. And not one mention of the "B" word in it!!!!!

[Kanonier]

I still haven't booked my flights, but I have noticed that Turkish Airline flights are really expensive. It really is a difficult place to get to from Scotland (suggestions welcomed).

Move to England? (You did ask)

[waz-24-7]

I agree fully with Kibsolar.
The unique situation within Cyprus makes the port of entry also unique.
Given the change in rights for UK citizens post April next year plus the antagonistic view of many within the ROC.
It would be safer to enter TRNC via ERCAN.

I have not yet decided as ERCAN will definitely be more problematic for me.
As Kano says
Pay your money and take the chance/choice.

Not a mention of the "B" word

[Mr Chinnery]

Waz,
Why will Ercan be more problematic for you?

[waz-24-7]

Waz,
Why will Ercan be more problematic for you?

Less choice of flights,
Longer passage time,
More expensive.
Often visit family in ROC prior to coming North.

Not insurmountable but more hassle.

Plus will be more reluctant to travel South once been in the North. Port of entry questions at border, and just more vulnerable to antagonism from authorities .

[tingtang]

Actually the EU regulation that stopped the RoC from being able to unilateraly restrict the crossing of foreigners over the Green line did so for both EU citizens and non EU citizens.
Soner.

That does seem pretty clear, the Greeks will still be bound by that EU regulation.
It is probable that they will introduce Visa's for Brits so for holiday visitors that should present no problems but it is residents here on the North side who will encounter difficulties if they arrived on the island via Ercan, who need to visit friends, family on the other side or pick up visitors from Larnaca or Paphos, or just wish to do some shopping. They will be deemed by the GC's as having entered the country illegally and refused entry to the South.

David (Cameron) - A fine mess you got us into.

tt.

[kibsolar1999]

They will be deemed by the GC's as having entered the country illegally and refused entry to the South.

Do not see it from this point of view…
Every country has borders … and “port of entries”. For the RoC these ports are, eg, LCA or paphos. As the “occupied areas” belong to territory of the RoC ( the EU and basically all other nations share this view... and no matter what you personally think about this subject …) also eg, Girne, Famagusta or ECN are, to the GCs , “ports of entry where the administration of the RoC can not be active”.
The EU describes this situation (the existence of the TRNC) with (more or less) “ an Eu area in which EU laws and regulations can not be introduced / enforced”
So, the green line is not only an “inner EU border”, it is also an “inner RoC border” and is, btw, never been called “border”, it is called “green line”.
And therefore a “green line crossing point” is not a port of entry ( to the RoC).
And as the several green line crossing points are not a port of entry, you can not get a visa there, meaning, you can not cross.
(not enter "the country".. by arriving in ECN, you entered actually two countries, the TRNC AND the RoC, which is member of the EU. and as the TRNC territory is EU (RoC) territory.. you would need a EU visa to enter the TRNC!
So why "should the RoC , in their view, grant a visa at a crossing point??).
Or, in other words, if the RoC would start to issue visas at the green line crossing points , they would recognize the green line as a border and the TRNC as a country.
Unlikely that this will happen till april 2019.

[waddo]

What do we call the "Line" now then as it has never been called a "Border"? Perhaps "The inner Green Line EU Border" or maybe "The inner Green Line RoC Border"? How about the more correct term of "UN Buffer Zone (UNBZ)"? Good old Arnie Greenwood, trust a lance jack to screw up history - lol.

[kibsolar1999]

Well ok then. UNBZ.
Populary known as “green line”
The EU talks about eg, “green line regulations”, eg for individuals and goods to cross.
The GCs say “Prasini Grammi” and talk about “occupied areas”, they do not call it a “border” in terms that the territory of the RoC ends there.
And the TCs say „yesil hat“ – green line .. but also often „sinir“ – border, as the territory of the TRNC ends at the UNBZ… thats why they issue visas at the crossing points.

[tingtang]

I sincerely hope that Kibsolar is right and I am wrong re the continuing ability to cross the border North to South as now without hindrance but below I am copying an extract from the 'Official Portal Of Cyprus Tourism' which deals with the 'Illegal Entry' aspect.

Any entry into the territory of the Republic of Cyprus via any other port or airport in the Turkish-occupied areas of Cyprus is illegal, and travellers doing so may face legal consequences. Therefore you are urged to travel via the recognised ports of entry (Larnaka and Pafos International Airports / seaports of Lemesos (Limassol), Larnaka (Larnaca), Pafos (Paphos) and Latsi).

I have noted that there is a long list of countries who do not require Visas to enter the ROC. - Sorry I don't know how to do short URL's.
http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa2016.nsf/A ... enDocument.

On reflection there should be no reason for removing the UK from that list considering the long historical ties and ROC membership of the British Commonwealth. Without a Visa requirement they will have no knowledge of the point of entry onto the island.

Because ROC consider that the whole of the island belongs to them we are allowed to cross border points from the South with no checks, just drive straight through. For the last few months they have taken to scanning our passports (although they do not scan GC ID's) when entering from the North, quite what is the reason for that is hard to figure, what is the point of checking you in when they haven't checked you out?

tt.

[waz-24-7]

I think the very simple fact upon the matter, borders, green lines , buffer zones etc.
Is that currently UK citizens with EU passports are currently blessed with freedom of movement within EU member states.
AS of next April that right is forfeited. How that pans out within the rather unique Cyprus situation we will have to wait and see.

I have expressed my opinions and deem the higher level of risk of antagonism and hassle to be significant enough to consider how you enter the TRNC.

[Hedge-fund]

If you are a UK citizen there will be zero change to how you currently go about getting to the TRNC.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

If you are a UK citizen there will be zero change to how you currently go about getting to the TRNC.

I know but surely we have to be punished for the B word?

[erol]

If you are a UK citizen there will be zero change to how you currently go about getting to the TRNC.

After Brexit the status of those with a UK passport will change from a status whereby the RoC can not refuse entry in to the RoC simply on the basis that they suspect the person may then visit and stay in the North to a status where they can do such. That is a fact. As to if the RoC will chose to refuse such entry in to the RoC to some UK passport holders, as they have done in the recent past to other non EU nationalities, remains to be seen.

[PoshinDevon]

If you are a UK citizen there will be zero change to how you currently go about getting to the TRNC.

After Brexit the status of those with a UK passport will change from a status whereby the RoC can not refuse entry in to the RoC simply on the basis that they suspect the person may then visit and stay in the North to a status where they can do such. That is a fact. As to if the RoC will chose to refuse such entry in to the RoC to some UK passport holders, as they have done in the recent past to other non EU nationalities, remains to be seen.

Exactly Erol.

At this stage no one knows. I doubt there will be a clear answer written down in black and white and it will be a case of wait and see. Predicting all will remain the same or the doom and gloom scenario that entry will be impossible via the ROC is something none of us know.

Those that love the TRNC will adapt and still travel whatever rules are in place.

[Butterflyaway]

Many residents, swallows, visitors (friends and family) as well as holiday makers, will be seriously considering how to plan their journey now for travel to the TRNC after March 29th 2019.

The ROC did prevent Israelis and Lebanese entry through Larnaca. UK passport holders “may” be treated the same.

On this basis, I personally will not book to arrive via Larnaca until the situation has been clarified. I have also advised visitors to do the same, which they have agreed to do so. It is just not worth the risk.

The ROC, or one disgruntled Immigration officer may simply cause an issue for only one or two flights immediately after Brexit.

Uncertainty means no one knows what may happen. Those who think there will be no change will just have to remain positive. Everyone else will book via Ercan.

[erol]

The ROC, or one disgruntled Immigration officer may simply cause an issue for only one or two flights immediately after Brexit.

Even without this and even if the RoC decides that post Brexit the UK goes on the list of countries that do not need a visa, for anyone with a British passport who enters Cyprus via the RoC and intends to stay more than 90 days in 180 (on either side), this will no longer be possible post Brexit for UK passport holders.

For me the idea that post Brexit there will be no change for British passport holders who wish to come to Cyprus via the RoC, is patent nonsense. For UK passport holding tourists that intend to holiday in the RoC and can show that is the case when they enter the RoC, the chances are things will not change at all or any such changes will be extremely minimal. For UK passport holders who wish to enter via the RoC stay more than 90 days, things will definitely change. For those who wish to enter via the RoC and stay in the North, even for less than 90 days, post brexit they will definitely have some degree of risk that they will be refused entry in to the RoC on arrival, compared with zero risk of such currently.

[waddo]

I know that this is a completely off the wall idea, BUT, has anyone at all ever actually tried to contact:

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa2016.nsf/A ... enDocument

and ask them what will be the procedure post April 2019?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I know that this is a completely off the wall idea, BUT, has anyone at all ever actually tried to contact:

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa2016.nsf/A ... enDocument

and ask them what will be the procedure post April 2019?

I wouldn't think they know what the procedure is pre April 2019

[PoshinDevon]

The ROC, or one disgruntled Immigration officer may simply cause an issue for only one or two flights immediately after Brexit.

Even without this and even if the RoC decides that post Brexit the UK goes on the list of countries that do not need a visa, for anyone with a British passport who enters Cyprus via the RoC and intends to stay more than 90 days in 180 (on either side), this will no longer be possible post Brexit for UK passport holders.

For me the idea that post Brexit there will be no change for British passport holders who wish to come to Cyprus via the RoC, is patent nonsense. For UK passport holding tourists that intend to holiday in the RoC and can show that is the case when they enter the RoC, the chances are things will not change at all or any such changes will be extremely minimal. For UK passport holders who wish to enter via the RoC stay more than 90 days, things will definitely change. For those who wish to enter via the RoC and stay in the North, even for less than 90 days, post brexit they will definitely have some degree of risk that they will be refused entry in to the RoC on arrival, compared with zero risk of such currently.

Agree with all the above Erol.

Living here in the deepest darkest SW of the U.K. our choice of airports/flights has always involved a good deal of research and planning both from a flight time/travel/cost perspective. We have used both Larnaca and Ercan in the past
and hopefully post March next year will still be able to do so. However; as swallows who stay normally less than 90days each time our plan is to err on the side of caution. So initially it will be Ercan for us in April next year until things become clearer.

People will adapt if they have to and maybe crossing the “green line” won’t be as easy but hey that’s life.

[waddo]

EJS, ah, I get it. So like the UK, the RoC won’t have any idea what will happen after March 29th 2019 and similarly won’t have any plans in place?

[erol]

EJS, ah, I get it. So like the UK, the RoC won’t have any idea what will happen after March 29th 2019 and similarly won’t have any plans in place?

In the absence of any new agreements between the UK and the RoC or the UK and the EU generically we know beyond any doubt that UK citizens will no longer be subject to the current rules re entry to the RoC for EU citizens and will become subject to the existing rules for non EU citizens. That is not conjecture at all. That is just reality if a 'no deal' Brexit is what we end up with.

As non EU citizens we will no longer be in the existing category "Categories of persons who do NOT require a visa to enter the Republic of Cyprus" (full stop). We will be either in the category (most likely) of " List of countries, whose citizens do NOT need a visa for a stay up to 90 days, provided they are bona fide visitors." or (less likely) "List of countries, whose citizens are required to possess a visa to enter the Republic of Cyprus".

The difference between 'do NOT require a visa' (full stop) and 'do NOT need a visa for a stay up to 90 days, provided they are bona fide visitors." especially in the unique context of Cyprus, is real and material and is what is going to happen unless some new agreement is reached. Fact. Does anyone think the RoC considers someone who enters the RoC planning to stay in the North is a 'bona fide visitor' ? Or someone who lives in the north but enters Cyprus via the RoC is a 'bona fide' visitor' ?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

EJS, ah, I get it. So like the UK, the RoC won’t have any idea what will happen after March 29th 2019 and similarly won’t have any plans in place?

Cypriots put plans in place?
And when they have communicate them to all their subordinates for clear and transparent implimentation?
Going to have to hear some examples?

Not been out hear that long but it seemed to me that they seem to favour a mixture of inertia, panic and confusion.

[erol]

Post no deal brexit another, not ercan, option for getting to Cyprus (north) - slow boat to Akrotiri ?

https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/08/30/brit ... on-brexit/

[sophie]

Never mind Larnaca and Ercan airports. Anyone come in via Gecikale??

[Maisiemoo]

Many years ago Sophie, when Ercan was closed for refurbishment!

[Soner]

Me too, took me 5 minutes to get home.

[waz-24-7]

Whilst the focus is on entry into TRNC and ROC via air.
Some people travel overland across the European Union. Some consideration would be prudent.

One should therefore contemplate the potential issues that could emerge when people that are no EU nationals ( UK citizens to be included) need to cross inter European borders. The free right to enter is lost post April 2019.

This is in fact one of the biggest issues that faces UK businesses that currently export into the EU via road train or truck.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

This is in fact one of the biggest issues that faces UK businesses that currently export into the EU via road train or truck.

I guess that's why China doesn't trade in the EU...……………...

As we import far more than we export it's in their interests to sort it out then.

[Kanonier]

Whilst the focus is on entry into TRNC and ROC via air.
Some people travel overland across the European Union. Some consideration would be prudent.

One should therefore contemplate the potential issues that could emerge when people that are no EU nationals ( UK citizens to be included) need to cross inter European borders. The free right to enter is lost post April 2019.

This is in fact one of the biggest issues that faces UK businesses that currently export into the EU via road train or truck.

Alway the negativity bias!