Assanination of Russian spy

laptatony · Post by **laptatony** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 4:24 pm

Am I the only one that can't understand the uproar about this, nothing new

2011 Pakistan
Osama Bin Laden. According to the US government's official narrative...

2003 Iraq
Saddam Hussein and his two sons. Two murders and a semi-judicial execution.

2002 Afghanistan
Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Islamic leader and warlord

1985 Lebanon
Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt)

ect., etc, all on foreign territory, surely the Uk has taken out double spies or turned people who spied on the UK. How many people lost their lives because of spies????

mrsgee · Post by **mrsgee** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 5:17 pm

Errmmmm, well I don't know if you are the only one not to understand the uproar, but I certainly do....my understanding is that a banned lethal nerve gas was used and has been attributed to Russia who developed it. My understanding is also that a nerve gas such as this is tantamount to torture. It is horrific. The fact is also, it was committed on British soil, and potentially affected numerous other innocent people. I believe that a policeman who was on duty has been affected. Some are saying that the two people involved, father and daughter, are already dead, but this is undisclosed, we only know what we are told in the media of course. Laptatony, if you honestly do not understand the uproar, and think it is nothing new, I feel you need to think again, with respect.

Mr Davidson · Post by **Mr Davidson** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 5:39 pm

People often only watch one news source or the mainstream media, don't do any research, very little critical thinking. This spy was incarcerated in a Russian prison for about 4 years and was then pardoned on an exchange program and swapped for some US spies I believe. If Putin wanted him dead he could have done it/arranged it whilst the spy was in prison. Why would Putin start all this off on the eve of his election? My understanding is that Porton Down has a lab about 8 miles up the road from where the 'attack' occurred and is a military research lab. Hmmm....if the Brits are so sure its Novochok (sp?) I have probably not got the name exactly right - then they have a sample, know its composition and can identify it as such which means they already had the blue print to make it in the UK. The Russians have responded via the correct international protocols by asking for a sample so that they can respond accordingly about its potential origin etc. but the UK won't supply this to the Russians. Incidentally the UK are also signed up to these formal protocols. So Russia is not refusing to respond but needs to know what it is being accused of based upon evidence. Now on the other hand May is very unpopular and facing her own Waterloo within the Conservative party and is also selling out the majority of the UK who voted for Brexit in the referendum with a watered down version which will mean in effect we are still in the EU - needs to distract with the facade by looking like a strong candidate and party for the future. Your response above sounds like an emotional response and knee jerk to the 'facts' which is just what the media like - have you done any research or looked at any other news from different countries and their reporting on this? For example this Ken Livingston viewpoint...https://www.davidicke.com/article/46319 ... ripal-case Some residents and people in Salisbury were interviewed and they are not convinced the Russians did it - one says MI6 and that wouldn't surprise me at all. Russia is being blamed for everything - the US and Mossad might have been involved, or even a rogue Russian spy element without being sanctioned by Putin... without any evidence it is yet to be proven a fact.

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 5:44 pm

It's not April 1st, is it?

mrsgee · Post by **mrsgee** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 5:47 pm

Interesting Mr Davidson, I guess only time will tell, let's just hope the truth does come out...doubtful though, and everyone can get on with their lives, apart from those who have been affected by whoever and by whatever... at the end of the day, someone has a lot to answer for.

mrsgee · Post by **mrsgee** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 6:08 pm

https://www.davidicke.com/article/46319 ... ripal-case

Mr Davidson, are you serious????? Is this the same David Icke who wore shell suits and was convinced he was Son of the Godhead..... Yep Frontalman I think April 1st may have arrived early....

Mr Davidson · Post by **Mr Davidson** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 6:52 pm

Mrsgee... you are grossly out of date... and its not David Icke its on his website and the interview is with Russia Today...and yes they have their own agenda but so does the BBC etc. At the end of the day don't you do any critical thinking and look at all sources? BTW we are all part of the creator source - as the old adage 'god' if you want to see it as a being is in everything. So we are all god in our small experiential way - no doubt you will NEVER read anything I suggest or look at any link because I posted it EVER AGAIN LOL! Note how you thought my comment interesting until you thought you had found some dirt ha ha ha

kayc · Post by **kayc** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 7:19 pm

If I were a betting person, I'd wager it was the US and Mossad. They are both fervently lining up their positions in Syria, and gathering allies in the EU against Assad and Russia and Iran before all hell breaks out. Another reason the US has an entire naval fleet floating just east of Cyprus. It's more than practice games I do believe.

whomever poisoned these people - it was extremely crude and cruel... and many innocent people have been affected from what I've read.

artic monkey · Post by **artic monkey** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 7:22 pm

So the vilification and automatic blaming of Russia for every dark deed continues unabated.One has to laugh at the fury,the outcry,the indignation and the downright hypocrisy of the reaction to this attack,which is execrable and inexcusable by the way.The knee jerk accusations of Teresa May,Boris Johnson and the rest who are 100% certain that Russia was responsible and that the evidence,at this point still unproven and circumstantial,is overwhelming is both fatuous and disingenuous.I must have missed the international condemnation every time Israel murdered citizens such as Iranian scientists and Arabic activists on foreign state soil.
I also recall,many years ago in England the "evidence" against some other people was classed as damning and overwhelming,but we now know that the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4 were entirely innocent.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 7:27 pm

Well I dont understand either what is happening or the posts above.

As I read it, the man has already be punished for any misdoings (several years in a Russian prison cant be much fun) and has been "retired" and doing no one any harm, nor done any for some time. Why would it be in the interests of either the Russian or the British leaders, Governments or secret services to murder him and his daughter, particularly in this nasty way?

Whatever one thinks about the killing of the people mentioned in the op, there was a pretty obvious motive.

It seems to me there is some other "hidden agenda" behind this, and what is really scary is just who has access to these chemicals who is apparently unconcerned about the risk to innocent and uninvolved civilians?

kayc · Post by **kayc** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 7:54 pm

"It seems to me there is some other "hidden agenda" behind this, and what is really scary is just who has access to these chemicals who is apparently unconcerned about the risk to innocent and uninvolved civilians?"

Exactly.

and let us look back over the last 15 years... Iraq was accused of WMDs, yet none was found. Even so, a war commenced which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. More recently, Syria has been accused of use of chemical attacks on it's own citizens - yet no conclusive evidence has ever been verified. Obama attempted to "draw a line in the sand" early on, to convince the Congress and American people that going into Syria was in America's best interest - "national security." It is possible that those chemical agents were the deeds of outside forces - all to advance this war. Why is it ISIS was seen equipped with vast caravans of spanking new matching white Toyota trucks... and all the equipment, uniforms, flags, at the get go? And how is it that over a dozen times the US accidentally dropped military supplies to them, "accidentally" - when they possess state-of-the-art surveillance technology that can view with pinpoint clarity?

Makes me go "hummmmmmmmm"

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 8:01 pm

Got to give the Government points for trying on this but they still have a long way to go to equal "Eggwina" in the bald face lie department just so they can divert the peoples interest in another direction. If Putin wanted this guy gone he would never have been free in the first place!

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 8:15 pm

As long as no one confuses me with the facts my mind is made up!

Interesting Egwina is brought up as a liar, what about Blair and the WMD, the attack within 45 mins etc, bare faced lies that cost many lives of UK forces and supported an operation that cost tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilian lives, what about David Kelly?

I would prefer to trust our current gvt on this, as for a set up, I think there would have been a bigger initial response and a lot more theatricals.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 8:55 pm

I still do not understand why. All the scenarios that posters above have quoted have a reason behind them - maybe not a good one, usually sheer greed, but a motive that can understood if not approved. Cui bono - who benefits? And if it was some terrorist organisation or other just trying to stir up trouble, why chose a place like Salisbury in the UK. Surely the USA would have been a better target, or if Europe a capital city?

erol · Post by **erol** » Thu 15 Mar 2018 11:32 pm

Ragged Robin wrote:I still do not understand why. Cui bono - who benefits?

Just throwing stuff out there. Not saying I think this is the case or even likely just that it is a way to try and answer the above questions above.

scenario 1.

Putin / Russia was involved. Putin wants to show his electorate that he is a 'man of action' and 'willing to hunt down 'enemies of Russia' any where, with an election coming up. So he wants to take some action that indicates it was him, without it being provable that it was him. This 'scenario' would answer the 'why now and not when he was in jail in Russia' question and the 'why use a means that is 'connected' to Russia at all.

scenario 2.

It was nothing to do with Putin or Russia. It was someone that this ex spy / double agent had pissed off very badly but was nothing to do directly with 'national espionage', like he slept with the wrong persons wife. They used a means that had some 'connection' with Russia as a means of throwing investigators of the crime of the scent and in the expectation that there would be a rush by some to 'blame Russia' irrespective of the actual truth.

scenario 3. (this is one I have seen elsewhere)

This former agent was involved in the production of the the 'Steele dossier' that claims to show collusion between Trump and Russia in the run up to US presidential election. The agent knew that the dossier was 'fabricated' to discredit Trump and had means of proving that and was on the verge of going public. Those involved in the production of the fake dossier killed the agent to prevent this happening and they used a means 'connected' to Russia specifically to muddy the waters and throw people of the scent.

Like I say, just throwing stuff out there. I have no real opinion as to what has actually happened here. I do however have a feeling, independent of what the truth of the matter is, that May has been too quick to say Russia is involved and in 'retaliation' and that she has been so quick not because it severs truth or justice to do so but because it serves her own political expediency to do so.

Mr Davidson · Post by **Mr Davidson** » Fri 16 Mar 2018 6:37 am

For those who like to look further afield for information this is a podcast of a radio program from the UK with Ray McGovern - retired CIA officer...

Quote: CIA legend Ray McGovern joins me. Ray explains why Russia Would most likely NOT have sanctioned a hit on former double agent Sergei Skripal. Ray talks about #Russiagate and news that the House Intelligence Committee has admitted that there is no evidence of Russian-Trump collusion. And Ray talks about murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich and why he believes Rich was really murdered. Do not miss. Plus Richie dissects LBC radio host James O'Brien's coverage of #Russianspy. Support the show by donating at http://www.richieallen.co.uk...endquote

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/rich ... 2_54-07_00

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Fri 16 Mar 2018 8:15 am

I have my doubts if the absolutely truth (rather than a form of truth) will ever be revealed (at least not publically) however it was announced this morning the poison is now believed to have been in the daughters suitcase (suspected to be in the form of a cosmetic) which she carried herself from Russian. And so it goes on.

Mr Davidson · Post by **Mr Davidson** » Fri 16 Mar 2018 9:01 am

There is a good interview here with

CrossTalking with Alexander Mercouris, Charles Shoebridge [worked in counter terrorism in the British Army and with the Met police, and Annie Machon - former MI5 intelligence officer....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF3Fue4UViM

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Fri 16 Mar 2018 3:19 pm

If Russia is getting the blame and it wasn't them, tough! There have been 14 other dodgy assassinations in the UK I believe. The story about crying "wolf" comes to mind.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Fri 16 Mar 2018 3:23 pm

Very interesting, though I am not sure that "The Golden Thread of British Justice" (quote Rumpole of the Bailey) {a person is innocent until proved guilty"} applies to Countries, or that it has always applied in other countries - what about the Code Napolean?

To throw another suggestion on the basis of Erol's, if I were Inspector Morse I would be checking if anyone who was in prison at the same time and place as the victim has been released recently, and whether they have anything against him, or if the victim is likely to have dangerous knowledge about him.

What does seem to be coming out of this is the lack of wisdom of Teresa May and her cabinet in dealing with this situation. Could this have been the intention? Seems a strange way of going about it, maybe someone wanted t o poing out that Britain cant "go it alone" and needs friends - those who have already supported TM, the EU or the USA ?

rocking · Post by **rocking** » Fri 16 Mar 2018 4:26 pm

Inclined to agree with Mr. Davidson’s first posting. I would also say I.n the shadowy world they live in why are people surprised. Why do we sanctuary to these despots In The first place More to giving the. Freedom here than money.

Mr Davidson · Post by **Mr Davidson** » Fri 16 Mar 2018 6:06 pm

Thank you Rocking...I like to look at many sources of information and have long since given upon on looking only at the mainstream media. Nothing wrong with asking questions and maintaining suspicion. The idea that you are guilty without producing any evidence is ludicrous - nothing tough about being accused without showing why... remember the rule of law?

It seems its not April 1st after all !

BTW just seen this - looks like the Guardian is doing it job and also challenging the meme... with some information not put out in other mainstream journals...https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ssion=true

Maisiemoo · Post by **Maisiemoo** » Fri 16 Mar 2018 7:36 pm

Another Russian exile 'Nikolay Glushkov' has now been confirmed as having been strangled at his home in South London on Monday. He was a vocal opponent of Vladimr Putin, make of that what you will.

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Fri 16 Mar 2018 8:03 pm

The russians hold Britain in total contempt and have done for years, their subs are constantly found lurking in the english channel and war planes spend more hours in our airspace than british airways and have to be escorted from our air space regularly.

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Fri 16 Mar 2018 10:26 pm

Sorry Mr D, I don't believe Marilyn Monroe committed suicide, I don't believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, if he was involved at all, but this has Mr Putin's sticky fingers all over it. If others want to humour you, then that's their business.

EnjoyingTheSun · Post by **EnjoyingTheSun** » Sat 17 Mar 2018 10:12 am

Mr Davidson wrote:There is a good interview here with

CrossTalking with Alexander Mercouris, Charles Shoebridge [worked in counter terrorism in the British Army and with the Met police, and Annie Machon - former MI5 intelligence officer....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF3Fue4UViM

Alexander Mercouris is a disbarred barrister and has zero credibility and Annie Machon is a professional conspiracy theorist so I think I'll give it a miss.

laptatony · Post by **laptatony** » Sat 17 Mar 2018 2:43 pm

Former UK ambassador Craig Murray has released the following information on his blog regarding Theresa May’s claims in parliament on Wednesday that Russia must be held responsible for the alleged poisoning of Sergey Skripal and his daughter (our emphasis):
I have now received confirmation from a well placed FCO source that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve gas as being of Russian manufacture, and have been resentful of the pressure being placed on them to do so. Porton Down would only sign up to the formulation “of a type developed by Russia” after a rather difficult meeting where this was agreed as a compromise formulation.
…Until this week, the near universal belief among chemical weapons experts, and the official position of the OPCW, was that “Novichoks” were at most a theoretical research programme which the Russians had never succeeded in actually synthesising and manufacturing. That is why they are not on the OPCW list of banned chemical weapons.
Porton Down is still not certain it is the Russians who have apparently synthesised a “Novichok”. Hence “Of a type developed by Russia”. Note developed, not made, produced or manufactured.

EnjoyingTheSun · Post by **EnjoyingTheSun** » Sat 17 Mar 2018 3:39 pm

I don't think they'll be an admission or proof on this in our lifetimes but when figuring out which way I think I always use three points of reference:
Cui bono. To whom it benefits?
Occums razor. The simplest explanation is usually the right one
Modus operandi. Someone's usual way of doing things.

All of them point to the Russians.

The likes of Annie Machon, Ray McGovern and Ken Livingstone will generally point to the CIA or Mossad but that is based on their own personal agenda

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Sat 17 Mar 2018 6:29 pm

laptatony wrote:Former UK ambassador Craig Murray has released the following information on his blog regarding Theresa May’s claims in parliament on Wednesday that Russia must be held responsible for the alleged poisoning of Sergey Skripal and his daughter (our emphasis):
I have now received confirmation from a well placed FCO source that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve gas as being of Russian manufacture, and have been resentful of the pressure being placed on them to do so. Porton Down would only sign up to the formulation “of a type developed by Russia” after a rather difficult meeting where this was agreed as a compromise formulation.
…Until this week, the near universal belief among chemical weapons experts, and the official position of the OPCW, was that “Novichoks” were at most a theoretical research programme which the Russians had never succeeded in actually synthesising and manufacturing. That is why they are not on the OPCW list of banned chemical weapons.
Porton Down is still not certain it is the Russians who have apparently synthesised a “Novichok”. Hence “Of a type developed by Russia”. Note developed, not made, produced or manufactured.

Perhaps that's why they wouldn't give them a sample then ?

Mr Davidson · Post by **Mr Davidson** » Sat 17 Mar 2018 8:52 pm

The wheels are falling off this meme....WMD comes to mind

EnjoyingTheSun · Post by **EnjoyingTheSun** » Fri 07 Sep 2018 9:05 am

Mr Davidson wrote:Thank you Rocking...I like to look at many sources of information and have long since given upon on looking only at the mainstream media. Nothing wrong with asking questions and maintaining suspicion. The idea that you are guilty without producing any evidence is ludicrous - nothing tough about being accused without showing why... remember the rule of law?

It seems its not April 1st after all !

BTW just seen this - looks like the Guardian is doing it job and also challenging the meme... with some information not put out in other mainstream journals...https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ssion=true

I'm guessing The Guardian is off the favoured sources of information now?

The simplest solution is generally the right one.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... hok-attack

Marisa · Post by **Marisa** » Fri 07 Sep 2018 10:37 am

EnjoyingTheSun wrote:I don't think they'll be an admission or proof on this in our lifetimes but when figuring out which way I think I always use three points of reference:
Cui bono. To whom it benefits?
Occums razor. The simplest explanation is usually the right one
Modus operandi. Someone's usual way of doing things.

All of them point to the Russians.

The likes of Annie Machon, Ray McGovern and Ken Livingstone will generally point to the CIA or Mossad but that is based on their own personal agenda

1. How does IT benefit Russia???
2.The "simplest explanation-is always a"fabricated" one.
3.Again a very solid " HIGHLY LIKELY proof"???

jackvern · Post by **jackvern** » Fri 07 Sep 2018 4:05 pm

Artic Monkey. What is your problem with Russia it appears you defend them on every occasion and slate the country your were apparently born in. Your other posts indicate a complete dislike for all things British.American and Jewish.
It is apparent were your political leanings are. Your decry the evidence which has been presented in the UN and backed by other countries yet believe that the Birminghan six and Guildford were innocent. As I recall the officers involved were acquitted and to date these bombings remain unsolved. It was a political compromise to accommodate the Anglo,Irish accord and bring peace to Ireland. You can debate this privately with me if you wish to avoid changing the subject of this debate. All things point to Russia.

EnjoyingTheSun · Post by **EnjoyingTheSun** » Sat 08 Sep 2018 7:27 am

Marisa wrote:
1. How does IT benefit Russia???
2.The "simplest explanation-is always a"fabricated" one.
3.Again a very solid " HIGHLY LIKELY proof"???

OK let's go at this from a different angle as the conspiracy theorists love to put up a ludicrous theory that makes no logical sense and demand you disprove it. eg Prove the WTC wasn't destroyed by a laser gun.

1. How does it benefit Britain more than Russia.
2. A logical explanation that has got some solid proof after 6 months.
3. Unfortunately when you cry wolf and say EVERYTHING is a conspiracy then 19 times out of 20 you are going to be proved wrong.
So you conspiracy theorists ironically end up being a gift for governments when they do occasionally do something dodgy.

Bit like the snowflake, liberal Intelligentsia who so alienate people that you get the likes of Trump and worse elected.

Mr Davidson · Post by **Mr Davidson** » Sat 08 Sep 2018 5:58 pm

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... y-deepens/

Reyntj · Post by **Reyntj** » Sat 08 Sep 2018 8:02 pm

The more you live in different countries and the more you read diferent news from different countries you start to see the propaganda thats peddled globally by all actors . The majority of people in turkey believe their news is truthful as do the good people of uk think the same of their news and usa and france and no doubt many other places in the world . On a site like this ie a uk expat forum there will be a patriot brigade who will side with news peddled by the uk . I dont have any true faith in any media . The public workdwide are just fed different “stories” from media deoending on who controls it..

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Sun 09 Sep 2018 6:56 am

Unfortunately the internet enables people to follow mad conspiracy theorists rather than use basic logic to determine, as best they can, what the most likely truth is.... It's lazy-minded people that these theorists rely on to further their bonkers theories and agenda of misinformation. It is also what mad dictators like Putin rely on the muddy the waters and create an air of 'anything logic tells us can't be the truth because it's all based on fake news'.

EnjoyingTheSun · Post by **EnjoyingTheSun** » Sun 09 Sep 2018 10:22 am

Mr Davidson wrote:https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... y-deepens/

I assume David Icke is busy?
I'm guessing if it is Murray it's Israel to blame? Usually is

EnjoyingTheSun · Post by **EnjoyingTheSun** » Sun 09 Sep 2018 10:27 am

Reyntj wrote:The more you live in different countries and the more you read diferent news from different countries you start to see the propaganda thats peddled globally by all actors . The majority of people in turkey believe their news is truthful as do the good people of uk think the same of their news and usa and france and no doubt many other places in the world . On a site like this ie a uk expat forum there will be a patriot brigade who will side with news peddled by the uk . I dont have any true faith in any media . The public workdwide are just fed different “stories” from media deoending on who controls it..

It's not a matter of patriotically eating up everything fed by the media with a spoon, it's more a matter of not buying into every conspiracy theory no matter how outlandish.

I'm cynical enough to think the death of David Kelly for example was rather convenient but if you make a conspiracy out of everything it sort of dilutes the ones that might bear further scrutiny.

I find generally with cry wolf conspiracy theorists there is very little that isn't a conspiracy and think rather than being someone that thinks for themself they in fact are manipulated more than most into buying into the latest crackpot theory.

Mr Davidson · Post by **Mr Davidson** » Sun 09 Sep 2018 7:44 pm

Enjoying the sun... not being drawn - sorry to disappoint - others may find the post interesting - its not all about you LOL!

EnjoyingTheSun · Post by **EnjoyingTheSun** » Mon 10 Sep 2018 10:37 am

Mr Davidson wrote:Enjoying the sun... not being drawn - sorry to disappoint - others may find the post interesting - its not all about you LOL!

No it's about the illuminati or the new world order I know that.

If I was going to draw you i'd put up 50 conspiracy theories no matter how outlandish and see if there were any you don't buy into.

I just think ironically you have more faith in our governments and security services than I have.
I think if they did get clever and machiavelian they would bugger it up to such a degree so it wouldn't require any huge leaps of logic to see what they had done.

Mr Davidson · Post by **Mr Davidson** » Mon 10 Sep 2018 1:03 pm

You know nothing about me or my so-called 'faith'. Once again you go directly to a judgement on what you think you know about a person and make a decision on whether its worth looking at the content. And there is nothing you have of 'value' for me to buy into or to draw me in.... Give it up or turn it loose

jackvern · Post by **jackvern** » Thu 13 Sep 2018 4:58 pm

Are these two guys Putins Patsies. IS Putin starting to crack. These boys have no chance they are the official sacrificial lambs. Never work for Government They will, sacrifice you in the blink of an eye.

tingtang · Post by **tingtang** » Thu 13 Sep 2018 6:40 pm

I am surprised to see so much Forum space devoted to this affair.
Conspiracy theories galore, I think the only one I haven't seen is ' Elvis still lives'

The simple fact of the matter is that this man betrayed his own country for money and knew full well that the Russians do not forget and do not forgive and that he would be hunted down for the rest of his life and we have seen several previous instances of defecting Agents being assassinated in the UK and probably other countries as well.

Why should we care to know the names of who killed him?, if those Agents had killed British citizens that would be a different matter but Theresa May's demands that they be brought to British justice is pie in the sky, maybe she is attempting to divert attention from Brexit problems and gain the Gv't some popularity. Her 'holier than thou stance is a nonsense when we all know that CIA, Mossad, GRU and British Intelligence are all guilty of the same dirty tricks and deeds.

I completely fail to see why UK needed to goad the Russians in this way when they knew what the outcome would be and, after all, following Brexit Britain will be desperate to find new trading partners and there are really very few of any size.

tt.

EnjoyingTheSun · Post by **EnjoyingTheSun** » Fri 14 Sep 2018 9:44 am

tingtang wrote:I am surprised to see so much Forum space devoted to this affair.
Conspiracy theories galore, I think the only one I haven't seen is ' Elvis still lives'

The simple fact of the matter is that this man betrayed his own country for money and knew full well that the Russians do not forget and do not forgive and that he would be hunted down for the rest of his life and we have seen several previous instances of defecting Agents being assassinated in the UK and probably other countries as well.

Totally agree about the amount of space allowed to the conspiracy theories. But free speech is important so people should be allowed to post them. As long as the same freedom is allowed to rebut them, often freedom of speech seems to be one-way traffic.

It is obvious the affair happened to send out a message in the same way the mafia will track down an informer and kill them twenty years later when it serves no practical purpose.

frontalman wrote: I don't believe Marilyn Monroe committed suicide, I don't believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, if he was involved at all, but this has Mr Putin's sticky fingers all over it. If others want to humour you, then that's their business.

Exactly. Not many people are so naïve to buy into everything and will question things that don’t add up. Problem is if you call everything a conspiracy you crying wolf actually helps to mask real conspiracies. The best place to hide a needle isn’t in a haystack, its best to hide it in a pile of needles.

kayc wrote:If I were a betting person, I'd wager it was the US and Mossad.

Because you hear an endless flow of criticism of America and Israel so it builds a feeling that they are evil empires. Or you could flip the coin and realise because they are democracies, they allow freedom of speech and criticism unlike the countries that their critics often herald.

kayc wrote: and let us look back over the last 15 years... Iraq was accused of WMDs, yet none was found.

Yes the British and American governments who apparently are capable of complicated Machiavellian plots are incapable of mocking up a few fake WMDs in the vast empty Iraqi desert.
Makes you question whether they could pull off 9/11 and keep it under wraps doesn't it?

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