Requirements for a legal marriage in TRNC

[judyvin]

Has anyone got married in the TRNC and that marriage is both recognised and legal in the UK ? If so I would be grateful for further information i.e. paperwork needed, etc. If you could email me that would be great thank you. judyvincent@live.co.uk

[terry2366]

You should get the information from either Marion Stuart or Keith Lloyd as ther was an alleged problem with the legality of being married by the vicar of St. Andrews.
Keith 0533 8418369
Marion 0533 8824313

[Mowgli597]

The previous Chaplain of St. Andrew’s did not conduct TRNC marriages. She conducted marriages which were registered in the Republic of Cyprus (the south).
That same situation exists today: any marriage performed in St. Andrew’s Church is registered in the South.

[sophie]

Thank you Mowgli597, at least someone has the facts correct.

[mermaidsexist]

well some unfortunate couples whom "married' at st.andrews found themselves to NOT be legally wed after all. several ceremonies were conducted but were NOT legally binding. it was all publicised not too long back. couples were devastated to find out the hard way.

[terry2366]

Thank you mermaid at least someone has got there facts correct

[Mowgli597]

That is NOT correct. One wedding was found to have been conducted without the full paperwork having been completed with the Greek Cypriot “Mayor of Kyrenia’s” Office before the ceremony took place. That wedding has now been regularised.

All other weddings were conducted correctly and legally; however the marriage certificates were found to have been incorrectly completed. They have now all been corrected.

[sophie]

The fact remains, a marriage performed at St Andrews is registered in the RoC, not in the TRNC.

[justsayin]

All comments seem to refer to getting married in a church.
You can get married legally in just about anywhere.
The best person to contact as she will have the most up-to-date information is a wedding planner. The best in my opinion is Vashti. She will tell you exactly what paperwork you need and when you need it.
It is quite simple really and has nothing to do with the south.

[tomsteel]

All comments seem to refer to getting married in a church.
You can get married legally in just about anywhere.
The best person to contact as she will have the most up-to-date information is a wedding planner. The best in my opinion is Vashti. She will tell you exactly what paperwork you need and when you need it.
It is quite simple really and has nothing to do with the south.

I wondered about the need for St Andrew's venue rule as expatriate
are getting married in Bellapais, Korineum Golf Club and other sites, according to the Cyprus Toady.

[Mowgli597]

The responses concerning St. Andrew’s were made in reply to a message (2) questioning the legality of marriages in the church, and to correct some of the “alternate facts” which were being presented.

Of course you can marry elsewhere in the TRNC and the marriage will be legal. However it will not be a marriage recognised by the Anglican Church (which is important to some people but not all), nor will it be blessed by an ordained Anglican minister.

[Agobard]

Go here: http://www.essentialcyprus.com/marriage ... th-cyprus/
This is not new but doubt if things have changed much.

[terry2366]

As message two poster I gave the number of two people involved in weddings/ blessings who would be able to help.
I also mentioned there was an ALLEGED PROBLEM with some marriages that were done by the vicar at St. Andrews
which you yourself confirmed as one having to have another service and others proper certificates. If this does not amount to a problem I have no idea what does. Weddings are a big step in ones life and should be done by someone with the expertise to do it correctly.

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[Mowgli597]

As message two poster I gave the number of two people involved in weddings/ blessings who would be able to help.
I also mentioned there was an ALLEGED PROBLEM with some marriages that were done by the vicar at St. Andrews
which you yourself confirmed as one having to have another service and others proper certificates. If this does not amount to a problem I have no idea what does. Weddings are a big step in ones life and should be done by someone with the expertise to do it correctly.

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Your actual comment was:

“ther was an alleged problem with the legality of being married by the vicar of St. Andrews.”

That’s not strictly accurate as I tried to point out. There is no “problem with the legality of being married by the vicar [sic] of St Andrew’s”. That could be taken to mean that the Chaplain (to be more accurate) of St. Andrew’s cannot perform legal marriages. The Chaplain of St. Andrew’s can, and does and has performed legal marriages, and will do so in the future.

But as I said, these are not TRNC marriages, they are RoC marriages.

The fact that the now resigned previous Chaplain had problems with one marriage and the paperwork for several others (which were all performed legally and were recognised as such by the Registrar in the RoC) does not negate the fact that any marriages by future Chaplains will be legal. (And will remain so, inshallah!)

I hope that makes things clearer.

[terry2366]

Yes mowgli all I was trying to do was point the original poster to two people that would know. I said alleged problems
During the time of the previous vicar which were widely published in the paper. It stated at the time there were irregularities in the process which as you state were eventually sorted out. I did not wish to imply marriages could not be carried out at St. Andrews in the future. So much so I am hoping the diocese will conduct mine, but in the south.

[Mowgli597]

And the very best of luck to you and your intended Terry!

[Sallywebstersnipples]

Our Daughter got married in Bellapais in 2016 and has had not problems with paperwork issued in TRNC being recognised in the UK. She changed her passport name in the UK using TRNC paperwork.

[TB10pilot]

The procedure to follow in order to get married in the TRNC. (Civil wedding)

1. If the couple live in the UK, both the bride & groom must visit a UK solicitor/notary and get Certificates of Non Impediment. They must then get these translated into Turkish.

2. They then visit the TRNC Consulate in London. Suggest they call first to ensure they are open. They take the CoNI in Turkish, birth certificates, passports, divorce papers if applicable, change of name papers, I/A, adoption I/A, and if a widow or widower, the death certificate of the deceased party. There is a fee of approx £25.00 pp to pay. Papers in Turkish will be given that same day to bring to the TRNC. You must also take 2 witnesses with you to the Consulate with their passports. They need not be the same 2 who will witness the actual civil wedding.

3. These papers must then be taken to the Ministry of the Interior in Nicosia and stamped.

4. An application to the Kaymakam office in Kyrenia must be made and the stamped papers from the Ministry, Passports etc presented. Plus photo copies of 2 Witnesses passports. They like to receive these papers a min. of a month before the actual wedding date, preferable 6 weeks. There is a small fee to pay.

5. All papers including the CoNI must be dated within 3 months of the actual CIVIL wedding date.

6. Once the Civil wedding has taken place, the wedding can be blessed by an Anglican priest in church or a lay person outside of church.

I have organised such weddings many times.

If one suggests that TRNC civil weddings are not legal, it could be interpreted that one is saying all Turkish Cypriots are illegitimate? !!

Sadly, one of my earliest weddings some 15 years ago, the couple decided to get a UK divorce. They asked me to obtain copies of their marriage certificate for them as theirs had been lost. This I did and they proceeded to get divorced. There were no legal issues in the UK with the marriage certificate. On another occasion, one of the couple died, the certificate had been lost and a new marriage certificate was obtained for the widower to file in the UK. Again, no issues at all as the certificate was recognised.

I hope this helps. Most wedding planners will offer a 'Paper work only service'. I suggest this might be the route to follow?

[Trigger]

A partner?

[judyvin]

TB10Pilot as I live here I will not need to do point 1-3 but can you tell me what I need to do instead? Will a local Notary suffice?

[TB10pilot]

It is my belief that if you hold British passports, that you will have to travel to the UK. This is a nuisance, I know, unless rules have changed this past year, that is the case. Many folk have a civil wedding on the south side followed by a Blessing this side. Please contact me off board.

[ScubaBoy9]

We had a family wedding in Cyprus last year it was arranged by Vashti https://www.north-cyprusweddings.com, she was brilliant. It is well worth speaking to her.

[Ragged Robin]

I understood that if you had a civil wedding , in the TRNC or elsewhere, it was possible to subsequently renew your vows and be blessed by an ordained Christian minister in St. Andrews. Thus rendering unto Ceaser the things that are Ceaser's etc! Is this not still the case??

Incidentally , I think that there is a geographical error in the attachment to message 12, Surely Aphrodite was "born" ("arose from the waves") near Paphos which is in SOUTH Cyprus?

[TB10pilot]

The answer to your query is Yes, an ordained minister can bless a wedding that has already taken place. The Diocese do not like using anywhere in the north outside of the church, especially somewhere where the Greek Cypriots could possibly say was 'stolen land'. Using Bellapais for instance caused many issues with the ex chaplain. Years ago we used Bellapais with no problems at all, and then there were issues, sad. Such a beautiful setting!!