Visit TRNC 90 days in a year Temp Residency needed

[wanderer]

Sorry this is on another post but I feel it needs to be seen as many swallows will not think they need residency
By Trevor Hughes ….

Temporary Residency…

The new system for Temporary Residence is for all people over 60 years of age, who are not citizens and who come to these shores for long holidays and or to live here, for more than 90 days in any one year. There are no exceptions, other than having a work permit or permanent residency.

The only information emerging to date regarding the new Temporary Residence ruling so far, are:

You have from October this year, until October next year to register into the new system for those expats over the age of 60 years, spending more than 90 days here in any one year. Do not think going over the border and returning will allow you a 90-day extension, it will not. Over the years this unauthorised practice has never been followed up, because the Authorities have been very lax!
The fee to date is 455 TL.
There will be no need to visit the main police station in the major towns in this process.
There will be no need to undergo blood tests, TB testing, or X-rays.
At the moment the registration is for one-year duration, although a two-year period is being considered.
Currently, you can go straight to the Immigration Office in Lefkosa to make your application, taking with you your passport, bank statement and a Muhtar’s letter.
If you are in the TRNC for more than 90 days in any one year, it’s compulsory to comply.
There are more questions arising than answers available, and I think people will leave it to the last minute before complying, which could mean you having to wait your turn in a long queue.

Capital Insurance is giving consideration to make applying for the temporary residence available to Capital Insurance customers, for a small fee. I have spoken to the department initialising the process who will confirm that we are indeed able to provide this service, or not.

This new system will help the Authorities to try and calculate how many foreigners are living here, which will help them when trying to forward plan in what’s needed for the growing infrastructure.

Current Temporary Residence

I confirm for those whose current Temporary Residence expires whilst out of the Country on their anniversary date. They must go to a main police station, armed with their travel documents (as proof) and ask for an official letter confirming your absence. Take with you your passport, and a 20 TL stamp, you can then collect the letter from the station the following Friday. This official document will allow you to leave and re-enter the country without fuss. But you must make your application to renew your Temporary Residence at the Ministry, within two days of re-entry.

Don’t forget to take the letter with you when you are leaving and re-entering the country.

[Johnny Lee]

Can anyone answer this please. If you had T. R. prior to reaching age 60. Then let it lapse due to the over 60 agreement. Will they be looking to backdate it for that period of time from reaching 60 up until now. ?

Thank You in advance.

[Keithcaley]

Can anyone answer this please. If you had T. R. prior to reaching age 60. Then let it lapse due to the over 60 agreement. Will they be looking to backdate it for that period of time from reaching 60 up until now. ?

Thank You in advance.

Not according to anything that has been reported to date - there's been no mention of making it retrospective, it appears that they simply want to know what the current situation is...

[waddo]

Has the new process been signed off in law yet? Or is it just another Government hope/wish?

[Nosey]

When people continually push nothing good comes of it . So T H and others please leave it alone certainly don’t speak on my behalf .

[waddo]

Finally found the Gov website and the answer is that it has been published in the Gazette so that's one for sure. Question - having always done a two year residency and still having a year left from Sept this year till Sept next year, it seems that we still have to go and register before Oct next year anyway - does anyone else read this the same way???????

[The Dog Walker]

Please can anyone tell me how to copy Wanderer's long message, rather than having to write it out myself. I want to send it to my ' Brazil' son who comes 3 or 4 times a year, and will hopefull, soon have his own property here.

[karmels]

This is a link to an article in a local paper this morning, although the English is not good you will still get the message the Government is saying.

https://www.gundemkibris.com/kibris/bay ... 81312.html

[wanderer]

https://cyprusscene.com/2019/09/01/nort ... mber-2019/

Hope this helps


Looks like this year last paragraph of kibris article
Interior Minister Aysegul Baybars, visa and residence permits in the country with a more secure registration of foreigners staying in the new regulations will come into force on October 23 and the public will be informed about the new system by the date of this date, he said. B We will continue to work for the creation of a contemporary, safe and peaceful environment in all areas, always considering the interests of the country, Bay Baybars concluded.

[Cyprus Hector]

I am a mere swallow who has been visiting regularly for 15 years. We own a property and spend usually 5 months in total here a year. We are over 60. We have never applied for residency and come and go without issue.

Unfortunately we exceed this new 90 day limit. Ah, I hear you cry, just apply for residency under this new system. Yes, except the government appears to still want to see your bank statements to check you can support yourselves. We have a TRNC bank account but don’t keep £10 ,000 in it. Will they accept UK bank accounts? Do I want details of my UK accounts recorded here?

The new residency requirement is allegedly to see who is in the country. Every time we come in and out that is recorded on the government computer system at the border. Does that not give sufficient information?

We spend money here, we support local shops, trades people, pay all our bills on time including water, Kibtec, rates etc, pay insurance on our car and property, eat in local restaurants etc.etc. If we were to fall ill we would pay for medical treatment or use our travel insurance. Any major problems and we would return to the UK.

Are we a burden on the State or ever likely to be? No.

With sadness therefore we are now planning to sell up, if we can, or in the meantime only visit for the 90 days in the year until we have.

Lose/lose?

[Maisiemoo]

I am a mere swallow who has been visiting regularly for 15 years. We own a property and spend usually 5 months in total here a year. We are over 60. We have never applied for residency and come and go without issue.

Unfortunately we exceed this new 90 day limit. Ah, I hear you cry, just apply for residency under this new system. Yes, except the government appears to still want to see your bank statements to check you can support yourselves. We have a TRNC bank account but don’t keep £10 ,000 in it. Will they accept UK bank accounts? Do I want details of my UK accounts recorded here?

The new residency requirement is allegedly to see who is in the country. Every time we come in and out that is recorded on the government computer system at the border. Does that not give sufficient information?

We spend money here, we support local shops, trades people, pay all our bills on time including water, Kibtec, rates etc, pay insurance on our car and property, eat in local restaurants etc.etc. If we were to fall ill we would pay for medical treatment or use our travel insurance. Any major problems and we would return to the UK.

Are we a burden on the State or ever likely to be? No.

With sadness therefore we are now planning to sell up, if we can, or in the meantime only visit for the 90 days in the year until we have.

Lose/lose?

Sadly you are not the only ones thinking along those lines!

[Johnny Lee]

Thank You Kieth. Hopefully the TRNC government will not see my question, Otherwise they will probably think OH, we missed that one. lol

[Hammerhead]

What happens for the people who cannot get out of the house bcos of Ill health

[kerry 6138]

Please can anyone tell me how to copy Wanderer's long message, rather than having to write it out myself. I want to send it to my ' Brazil' son who comes 3 or 4 times a year, and will hopefull, soon have his own property here.

Highlight the text select copy,( depends on which device your using laptop, tablet how you do this) .

[PoshinDevon]

I am a mere swallow who has been visiting regularly for 15 years. We own a property and spend usually 5 months in total here a year. We are over 60. We have never applied for residency and come and go without issue.

Unfortunately we exceed this new 90 day limit. Ah, I hear you cry, just apply for residency under this new system. Yes, except the government appears to still want to see your bank statements to check you can support yourselves. We have a TRNC bank account but don’t keep £10 ,000 in it. Will they accept UK bank accounts? Do I want details of my UK accounts recorded here?

The new residency requirement is allegedly to see who is in the country. Every time we come in and out that is recorded on the government computer system at the border. Does that not give sufficient information?

We spend money here, we support local shops, trades people, pay all our bills on time including water, Kibtec, rates etc, pay insurance on our car and property, eat in local restaurants etc.etc. If we were to fall ill we would pay for medical treatment or use our travel insurance. Any major problems and we would return to the UK.

Are we a burden on the State or ever likely to be? No.

With sadness therefore we are now planning to sell up, if we can, or in the meantime only visit for the 90 days in the year until we have.

Lose/lose?

This is exactly the sort of question the BRS should be asking and once asked any information should be made freely available and publicised for all to read, digest and understand.

I am sure that most people whether permanently resident or swallows would welcome clarity.

I understand why the BRS raised this topic a few months ago and I can also appreciate both sides of the argument about representing the British ex pat community. However; as it was the BRS who raised this subject I believe they have a duty to keep everyone fully informed whether a member of there organisation or not.

Appreciate the devil is in the detail but I do feel the BRS should be transparent in this instance. This forum is the ideal place for the BRS to ensure the message is heard.

Be interesting to see if it happens.

[Cyprus Hector]

Where I live there are various nationalities who come and go like us. Presumably this new 90 day rule will apply to all non TC’s?

[PoshinDevon]

Indeed it will.

[jimm]

Getting like Turkey every day, we are selling up as well in the end this will collapse the property market

[Maisiemoo]

Having read the above post by Trevor Hughes does anyone know if he or BRS have an affiliation with Capital Insurance? Just curious, as he seems to suggest this company may or may not help with the residency process for a small fee! (I am not a member of BRS!)

[frontalman]

I am a mere swallow who has been visiting regularly for 15 years. We own a property and spend usually 5 months in total here a year. We are over 60. We have never applied for residency and come and go without issue.

Unfortunately we exceed this new 90 day limit. Ah, I hear you cry, just apply for residency under this new system. Yes, except the government appears to still want to see your bank statements to check you can support yourselves. We have a TRNC bank account but don’t keep £10 ,000 in it. Will they accept UK bank accounts? Do I want details of my UK accounts recorded here?

The new residency requirement is allegedly to see who is in the country. Every time we come in and out that is recorded on the government computer system at the border. Does that not give sufficient information?

We spend money here, we support local shops, trades people, pay all our bills on time including water, Kibtec, rates etc, pay insurance on our car and property, eat in local restaurants etc.etc. If we were to fall ill we would pay for medical treatment or use our travel insurance. Any major problems and we would return to the UK.

Are we a burden on the State or ever likely to be? No.

With sadness therefore we are now planning to sell up, if we can, or in the meantime only visit for the 90 days in the year until we have.

Lose/lose?

Sorry to hear that Joe. It does seem very unfair for you and others in similar circumstances. With tourism down 60% this year I don't think it's a very clever move. Maybe those from a certain expat organisation who have been so smug up to now might realise what damage they have done.

[frontalman]

Having read the above post by Trevor Hughes does anyone know if he or BRS have an affiliation with Capital Insurance? Just curious, as he seems to suggest this company may or may not help with the residency process for a small fee! (I am not a member of BRS!)

Trevor is Capital insurance, I believe.

[jofra]

"You have from October this year, until October next year to register into the new system ...
The fee to date is 455 TL.
.....At the moment the registration is for one-year duration, although a two-year period is being considered."
So this would be a regular yearly (possibly two-yearly) fee for an indeterminate number of "swallows" and all permanent "residents"?
A nice little earner!
Incidentally, (I may have missed it) willthis "registration" fee be in addition to the temporary residency charge...?
If so, reminds me of my (departed) father's complaint re VAT on petrol - "a tax on a tax" - as duty was added to petrol price, and then VAT on the total...

[teatime]

Bit drastic moving on because of about £65 per year. Where will you move to? I'm sure most places will have similar sort of conditions in place, or back to the UK, which is now …..………….d

[Maisiemoo]

[quote="teatime"]Bit drastic moving on because of about £65 per year. Where will you move to? I'm sure most places will have similar sort of conditions in place, or back to the UK, which is now …..………….d[/quote

Think it's more concerning for swallows. A lot of faffing about if you're only out there for little more than 90 days in a year. We will certainly restrict our time to 90 days a year and I know one couple who will not bother renewing the lease on their apartment as they only spend about 5 months of the year in NC. Very short sighted policy imo.

[PoshinDevon]

Bit drastic moving on because of about £65 per year. Where will you move to? I'm sure most places will have similar sort of conditions in place, or back to the UK, which is now …..………….d[/quote

Think it's more concerning for swallows. A lot of faffing about if you're only out there for little more than 90 days in a year. We will certainly restrict our time to 90 days a year and I know one couple who will not bother renewing the lease on their apartment as they only spend about 5 months of the year in NC. Very short sighted policy imo.

Is it really a lot of faffing around tho?

Seems from what is known at the moment the process for the over 60s is much less than that for others. Gather paperwork, go straight to Lefkosa immigration, pay fee and job done. No police station visits, medical etc.

Of course as it’s North Cyprus it could well change but at the moment with a year to register and get things sorted from Oct it doesn’t seem that onerous to me. Just a day out in Lefkosa.

I suppose the question is that if you spend more than 90 days in any year on island, is the length of your stay worth the fee being charged. Still think it’s best to sit back and await the confirmation of the process before making hasty decisions.

[Hammerhead]

That's fine saying it is only 65 quid but what about the poor people who are house bound?

[Agobard]

Go here for some up to date information: https://cypriumnews.com/2019/09/08/tigh ... e-country/

[Laura B]

Excellent. Thanks Agobard.

[Hedge-fund]

I am a mere swallow who has been visiting regularly for 15 years. We own a property and spend usually 5 months in total here a year. We are over 60. We have never applied for residency and come and go without issue.

Unfortunately we exceed this new 90 day limit. Ah, I hear you cry, just apply for residency under this new system. Yes, except the government appears to still want to see your bank statements to check you can support yourselves. We have a TRNC bank account but don’t keep £10 ,000 in it. Will they accept UK bank accounts? Do I want details of my UK accounts recorded here?

The new residency requirement is allegedly to see who is in the country. Every time we come in and out that is recorded on the government computer system at the border. Does that not give sufficient information?

We spend money here, we support local shops, trades people, pay all our bills on time including water, Kibtec, rates etc, pay insurance on our car and property, eat in local restaurants etc.etc. If we were to fall ill we would pay for medical treatment or use our travel insurance. Any major problems and we would return to the UK.

Are we a burden on the State or ever likely to be? No.

With sadness therefore we are now planning to sell up, if we can, or in the meantime only visit for the 90 days in the year until we have.

Lose/lose?

I wouldn't keep £10k in an account in the TRNC.

I gave them a redacted copy of a UK savings account which they accepted.

[Keithcaley]

That's fine saying it is only 65 quid but what about the poor people who are house bound?

"Minister Baybars said in accordance with the new regulations, the residence permit applications can be made online..."

[wanderer]

She also says about knowing how long you are staying when arriving
Does this mean they will copy/clone Turkeys on line system?

[frontalman]

Even having read the above link I am still confused and find it as clear as mud. We are renewing passports next year so won't be doing anything until we have them (if that's possible).

[frontalman]

That's fine saying it is only 65 quid but what about the poor people who are house bound?

It's not just people who are housebound that will be affected, there are plenty of others who may struggle to meet the criteria, as a previous (swallow) poster has stated. We have been here a long time, have a nice home here, nice car, money in the bank so won't be affected a great deal. The reason I am so peeved is that it has been lovely coming and going without even having to think about red tape. It made us feel welcome and valued and made life more free and easy. The BRS does not represent swallows (by definition) and maybe they are pleased about this because only the "right sort" will be able to remain and they will get rid of some of the plebs.

[Maisiemoo]

So according to the article we will be able to apply online?
I see trouble ahead!

[frontalman]

"But while there's moonlight and love and romance, let's play the music and dance".

[PoshinDevon]

That's fine saying it is only 65 quid but what about the poor people who are house bound?

There seems to be a suggestion it could all be done on line which IF it happens and IF it works would be a great help to many I am sure.

The information is not completely clear at the moment but that of course be a translation/understanding issue. If it is implemented in Oct 2019 and there is a year until Oct 2020 to register that seems to me to be more than acceptable amount of time.

No doubt when people do start using the new system whether directly at the immigration offices in Lefkosa or via an on line system there will be hiccups before it all settles down. Leaving the TRNC because of this does seem a little hasty and as another poster has mentioned there are similar systems and requirements in many countries. If you choose to live in a country then you should be aware of and follow there regulations. Even if over time those regulations change or are amended.

Still believe the priority is to ensure that it is clear exactly what must be done, within what timescales and what paperwork is required. That is why I strongly believe that as the BRS looked to seek clarity, they should confirm what is required and ensure this information is widely circulated for the benefit of everyone.

Or is that far to sensible and won’t happen.

[waddo]

Wait and see what the official - that would be the Government released - information is before panic sets in! Think of it as the TRNC answer to Brexit, it can all change today or maybe has already changed or will change in the future. Right now there is not a lot you can do anyway. Having lived here for over 12 years without putting a foot off the Island I still fail to meet Permanent Residency requirements and will have to be a Temporary Resident till I finally get my resting place in Dhekelia Military Cemetery - why worry yourselves to death over something over which you have no control anyway?

As we spend all our pensions here on rental, vehicle tax, local tax's and all the other running costs of food/clothing etc, etc, if we are chucked out then the country loses around £30K a year and that's just for us two. I can't see them doing that for everyone as there are thousands like us and that is income the country can not afford to lose!

[frontalman]

I was under the impression that the new regulations had been published in the official Govt gazette, which means they are official - at least the outline of what they want to do. Given what you have said I don't think you will be first in line to be chucked out, if indeed anyone will be.

[PoshinDevon]

I was under the impression that the new regulations had been published in the official Govt gazette, which means they are official - at least the outline of what they want to do. Given what you have said I don't think you will be first in line to be chucked out, if indeed anyone will be.

From what I have read and I think you would agree; like many new regulations etc introduced over the years in the TRNC, its not always clear what is required and things take time to fully understand. As I said possibly just a translation issue.

I am confident people won’t get chucked out providing they understand and comply with the regulations when they come into force. In the meantime as a previous poster has mentioned, no point in getting all excited about it. The weather is nice, sun is shining and chilling by the pool or down the beach with a good book is much more enjoyable.

[frontalman]

I completely agree with you Posh, and if that stipulation about a year's grace is honoured then it will give everyone time to sort themselves out. However, having read the announcement attributed to the minister concerned I didn't see that and that is why I remain confused. I admit I only skimmed through it, and may have missed it. Like all new govt campaigns (dog registration for example), a lot of energy and stick-wealding goes into it initially, but a few years down the line people just shrug their shoulders.

[compass]

This is a section copied from another post by wedincyprus...... it's a statement by a govt minister giving loads of info re the new visas but this section seams to suggest 90 days in any 180 days, not in 360 as previuosly stated...... although it's not over clear and I could be reading it wrongly.


"Pointing out that visas can be given up to 6 months at a time in the old system, Ayşegül Baybars said, “After the 90-day visa expires, the old application made it possible to leave and re-enter and a new 90 days were given each time. This situation allows foreigners to stay with a visa and work unregistered. It caused abuse of the system. ”
In the new regulation, this abuse was terminated by Minister Baybars. The new statute the arrangement of a foreigner’s stay in the TRNC will be with a visa every 90 days and 90 days over 180 days. Any stay less than 48 hours would not count."

Turkey e-visas are I beleieve for 90 days in any 180.

Compass

[Laura B]

You are right Compass. TR visas are 90 in 180 rolling days. Can be a bit difficult to get to grips with initially but work well for TR.

[wanderer]

Turkey not TRNC visa terms
The duration of 90-day-stay on my e-Visa expired and I have come back to my country timely. How many days should be passed until I reapply?Go

If the duration of 90-day-stay on your e-Visa expired within 180 days as of your first entry date, you can reapply for an e-Visa 180 days later starting from the first entry date. If you spent some part of the duration of 90-day-stay on a multiple entry e-Visa within 180 days as of your first entry date and the rest expired after 180 days elapsed as of the first entry date, it is possible to reapply for an e-Visa. Anyway, please keep in mind that you may stay in Turkey up to 90 days in every 180 days starting from the first entry date.

[Saintsfan]

I got my e-visa for Turkey 22nd June expires 18th December for Multiple entries up to 90 days in total.

[Laura B]

Wanderer here is the calculator for Turkey visas. You can work out exactly.........I hope!

http://www.gibba.co.uk/

[jayceebee]

"Still believe the priority is to ensure that it is clear exactly what must be done, within what timescales and what paperwork is required. That is why I strongly believe that as the BRS looked to seek clarity, they should confirm what is required and ensure this information is widely circulated for the benefit of everyone."

Agreed!

[wanderer]

Laura thanks for the calculator very useful
If the TRNC adopt this system two visas a year would do me fine as this year I'll be under 90 days in a year
Just got to make sure that I'd be under 90 in 180 days
Better than spending days hopping from government office to office

[Laura B]

You're welcome wanderer. Yes I can't see the government here expecting people to get long term visitor visas, or whatever they call them, just for a couple of long holidays a year. As you say the 90 in 180 suits most people perfectly well in Turkey and I imagine they will implement the same here in the end. I also hope eventually they will adopt the same as TR with regard to residence permits ie after 8 years of continuous permits one is entitled to apply for a 99 year permit which is FREE!

[waddo]

Good grief - I already have 12 continuous permits so if they bring in that law will it mean I have to stay here till I am 173 years old? On the bright side, if I do then I may actually see TRNC accepted by more country’s than Turkey - lol. Of course the UN will still be here, just Incase!

[jofra]

The calculator is useful, but I've not managed to get it to show what I need...
As an example, in 2020 my visits are (hypothetically) -

1. 04 April - 23 May (50 days), so 180 day period is 04 Apr - 30 Sep - yes?

2. 05 September - 17 October (43 days)

However, 05 Sep - 30 Sep is only 26 days, therefore total in the first 180 day period is only 76 days....

Will I be allowed to remain until 17 Oct (on the premise that a new 180 day period has commenced on 30 Sep) or will the "last" 3 days of my second visit be deemed to still be in the first 180 days - and therefore have to depart 13 Oct?