Visit TRNC 90 days in a year Temp Residency needed

[Kanonier]

Good grief - I already have 12 continuous permits so if they bring in that law will it mean I have to stay here till I am 173 years old? On the bright side, if I do then I may actually see TRNC accepted by more country’s than Turkey - lol. Of course the UN will still be here, just Incase!

And if things don't change, the UK will still be in the EU!

[Laura B]

Jofra. It is so complicated but I have put in your dates as above. You have to start by putting in your 'second' dates as it then counts back the 180 days from your second departure. Then you can enter your first dates when prompted and it comes out that you are fine. This method brings in your first trip at 33 days and second trip at 42 days so you are fine. It is the ''rolling'' 180 days that caused the difficulty but the calculator sorts it out well. You will of course need to purchase a second visa for your second trip as the first will expire while you're in TR and you must enter and leave on the same visa so visa 1 for first trip and visa 2 for second trip. Hope you can understand.

[sandfrog]

Just to muddy the waters even more, a couple of weeks ago I was due to renew my temp residence visa and having gone through the normal procedure turned up at the immigration dept expecting my normal one year stamp. The paperwork was virtually identical to previous years but i was firmly told that it was no longer adequate. The main problem appears to be money (what else).

I have held a temp residence permit and my husband is retired and in the past we have shown bank accounts which appeared to be adequate.

This year the lady on the desk informed me that they had made a mistake for the last few years (they of course are allowed to do that) and that the following now applied:

To remain in the country I have to qualify in one of the following categories

1) You have to be a registered student and can have a student permit

2) You have to have a work permit

and here's the interesting bit
3) That you have to own a house AND can produce bank accounts to show that you have an income of 10,000tl per month

or...

4) That you rent AND have a prove-able income of 17,500tl per month.

After some discussion they gave me a 6 months stamp to enable me to comply!!

What I find interesting is that if my husband and I both worked, had work permits and received minimum wage we would receive about 6,000 tl a month which would be OK in their eyes and yet if you don't work and rent, (which we have done for 15 years) we suddenly need the astounding figure of 17,500 tl

The Cypriots obviously have a better life style than us!!

I still have the piece of paper so this is not a memory lapse. The only vague point is that she was talking about me only as it was only me that was applying. Whether that means another absurd figure when my husband reapplies remains to be seen.

Even post brexit Britain is starting to look appealing!!!

[Laura B]

WOW! That is a lot of income expected. I doubt there are too many of us that could comply with that.

[karakumc5]

My wife and I are coming up to retirement had planned to spend more time at our place will just have to reduce to fit in to new 90 day rule.
The local economy are going to be the losers seems a bit daft.......that's politicians for you.

[PoshinDevon]

Just to muddy the waters even more, a couple of weeks ago I was due to renew my temp residence visa and having gone through the normal procedure turned up at the immigration dept expecting my normal one year stamp. The paperwork was virtually identical to previous years but i was firmly told that it was no longer adequate. The main problem appears to be money (what else).

I have held a temp residence permit and my husband is retired and in the past we have shown bank accounts which appeared to be adequate.

This year the lady on the desk informed me that they had made a mistake for the last few years (they of course are allowed to do that) and that the following now applied:

To remain in the country I have to qualify in one of the following categories

1) You have to be a registered student and can have a student permit

2) You have to have a work permit

and here's the interesting bit
3) That you have to own a house AND can produce bank accounts to show that you have an income of 10,000tl per month

or...

4) That you rent AND have a prove-able income of 17,500tl per month.

After some discussion they gave me a 6 months stamp to enable me to comply!!

What I find interesting is that if my husband and I both worked, had work permits and received minimum wage we would receive about 6,000 tl a month which would be OK in their eyes and yet if you don't work and rent, (which we have done for 15 years) we suddenly need the astounding figure of 17,500 tl

The Cypriots obviously have a better life style than us!!

I still have the piece of paper so this is not a memory lapse. The only vague point is that she was talking about me only as it was only me that was applying. Whether that means another absurd figure when my husband reapplies remains to be seen.

Even post brexit Britain is starting to look appealing!!!

Once again this is exactly the sort of thing that the BRS should be seeking clarification on.

We all know that often with the officials responsible for implementing the residency rules, or any new rules/regulations these can often be misinterpreted leading to confusion. The majority I am sure want to comply with any new rules/regulations and rightly get a little frustrated or annoyed when they cannot understand the requirements or fall foul of them because of this.

I am not having a dig at the BRS and do not want to go off topic about the merits or not of this organisation. I am happy to be proved wrong but are they actually taking up these concerns and if they are why is there no updates or clarification being circulated widely for the benefit of everyone? After all this does affect everyone. Perhaps they are working hard behind the scenes and if they are why not let people know this. However to date I remain to be convinced. This forum along with the local paper is the perfect platform for providing information.

The evidence of what funds or income you have is a sensitive area, some may have substantial funds and income coming into a TRNC bank account, however I think there are many who do not want to put large amounts of money into accounts on island, preferring the security of a U.K. account. So is this acceptable, what information would be required, or must funds or income be in a TRNC account? Lots of questions and as the BR S sought clarification they should be responding and updating whether a member or not.

Are there not some BRS members on this forum who are as confused as the rest of us? Maybe they could provide feedback even if it’s only that the BRS are indeed looking at these issues.

[Chriswright03]

I am only a member of the BRS so have no knowledge of what the BRS are doing unless it is communicated in an email or newsletter. If something were mentioned via this method I would of course comment in here as it would be of interest to many I am sure. I do feel though that no matter what the BRS do or inform us off to 'some' in here they will be dammed.

I do feel however that something could be done from within the forum like a letter sent on behalf of the members to the powers that be to seek clarification. Oh hang on the BRS are getting hung out to dry because they did that! So maybe not then.

Is there a chance that the individual was stating her view of the policy on the day as often is the case? From what I have read in here many a time the law often depends on who is applying it on what day and what side of bed they got out of.

At the BRS Summer Dance the Prime Minister made a speech in which he finished by saying we love you British and bring all of your British friends to Northern Cyprus. As the island appears to rely on tourism I can't see the advantage in putting all of the Ex pats in a position where they feel they have to leave or are not allowed to be here because they do not have those sort of funds in a TRNC bank each month.

So you are right Posh it does require clarification but some will moan that we are asking for it.

[PoshinDevon]

I want to avoid any comments on the rights or wrongs of the BRS as an organisation in seeking clarification on this matter. This would be going off topic and as a moderator any posts would be deleted.

However; the BRS started the ball rolling and they would be the preferred organisation to seek clarity and provide updates and latest information. I am sure they must be aware of all the questions that have or are being raised, if not then they should be. This forum is the ideal place for sharing that information.

If a representative of the BRS were to do this it would be of benefit to everyone. Once again the moderators would ensure that posts off topic were deleted.

I am sure that if any moderator or indeed the forum owner was contacted by a BRS representative to discuss how the sharing of information could be best posted on this forum they would receive positive feedback and help.

It really is up to the BRS to decide if they would be willing to do this.

[jofra]

....This method brings in your first trip at 33 days and second trip at 42 days so you are fine.......Hope you can understand.

Sorry, Laura, I do not - plainly and simply my visits are 50 days and 43 days as counted on a calendar. Unless this "180 day" period commences on some date other than my arrival, then surely my first trip cannot under any circumstances be less than the 50 days that I have stated?
IF the "180 day" period does commence on my arrival, then subsequently I should be "entitled" to another 40 days in that period.
Those 40 days would be up to the very end of the (first) 180 day period, whereupon a new 180 day period would commence - therefore, would the last 3 days of my second visit be acccepted as part of the "new" 180 day period?

[Laura B]

Jofra. It is the ''rolling'' 180 days that makes it difficult to understand. If you count back from the LAST day of your second visit which I think you said was 17th Oct then 180 days takes you to 20th April. Therefore you will only use 33 days of your first trip in the 180 days not the 50 days you are actually there as your 180 days starts on 25th November 2019. You have to count BACK from your departure date to get the start date of the 180 days. It doesn't matter when your visa starts.....they are not connected. I'm sorry if I cannot explain here very well but I'm in Ozanköy and if you're anywhere near do pop round and I can show you exactly. PM me if you want to do that.

[jofra]

Even more confused...! Any period of time starts at one point and ends at a later point - a driving/hunting/TV licence, a rental agreement, contracts of all kinds start from a(ny) date/time and run forward to their expiry, so how can a definitive and defining period extend back before its inception?
I realise that the dates you quote create -
1. "20 April", 180 days before departure 17 October (2nd visit), which then HAPPENS to fall during the first visit;
2. "25 November 2019", 180 days before departure 23 May (1st visit) - how is this relevant? I'm not in TRNC (or Turkey!) until 04 April, so how can any days prior to this date in April be considered or counted?
As I first posted,

"As an example, in 2020 my visits are (hypothetically) -
1. 04 April - 23 May (50 days), so 180 day period is 04 Apr - 30 Sep - yes?"

Is the answer actually "no"? If so, the only apparent "use" of this rolling period is to tell you how much earlier you could have come, rather than how much longer you may remain....
"Back to the Future".....

Is there any documentation/statement that clarifies whether the period is "commenced from" or "backdated to"..?

[Laura B]

Sorry Jofra. The system works as I have indicated. The link I posted for the calculator will give you the answer. I'm really sorry if you can't understand but it is not like a licence which has a start and finish date. As I keep saying it is a ''rolling'' 180 days therefore maximising the time you can spend in country.

[IPA]

I understand the government wanting foreign nationals to be registered. But if the conditions set by the authorities become too difficult to meet then many Brit Expats will leave in the next few months. Very sad for all concerned.

[Deniz1]

Some of us have no where to go to!

[Hector]

In the words of the song "Time too, say goodbye..."

[PoshinDevon]

I don’t think this is the time for hasty decisions.

The new regulations are not yet in force and as we all know things are always clear as far as the TRNC is concerned. There is plenty of time for things to become clearer and also it appears a good period of time in which to register and comply with the requirements. The cost is not that prohibitive and if the on line system for registering works then it could well be a relatively simple task.

However; there are plenty of questions that need answering or clarification especially around what funds or evidence of some form of income is required and how this can be proven.

This is North Cyprus after all!

[Mr Chinnery]

Waddo,
If your current two year residency ends in September next year you will be renewing before The October cut off date next year.
Whether you will get two years as usual or twelve months is anyone’s guess.

[Mr Chinnery]

It would appear that if you don’t have residency and leave the country, then return you will be given a 90 day stamp in your passport even if over sixty. So it would appear that you will need to register within 90 days of being given the stamp and not be allowed to wait until October at the latest next year.
Those over sixty who have a stamp already just get the normal no time limit stamp.
So the upshot is check your Passport Stamp And don’t ignore it thinking you have until October next year.

[come_on_aylin]

There's quite a bit about it in today's CT. When asked about concerns that the 90 day limit could hit tourism because many swallows have properties here and like to stay longer than 90 days or return frequently, he (head of immigration dept) stressed "The rules are still open to be changed. However, if an ordinary tourist wishes to stay for more than 90 days, they should apply for a residency permit.". He confirmed that over 60s need to apply for a residency permit once every 3 years. Applications should be able to be made online from November. Also passports of EU nationals need to be valid for at least 2 months on entry and others need 6 months validity.
No info for under 60s - status quo?