Virus a new question.

[cambridge]

As everybody is busy applying the rules for the virus then I would like to throw this question in to the mix
Once it’s accepted that no further actions are required what happens.
You can’t actually allow anybody in without having been vaccinated ( 2021 possible ) . So everyone has to be quarantined. That means no tourists and even the people who have been stuck in the UK might be wary of returning. Would you be happy to be confined to one hotel for your holiday, I think not. So salute the efforts but can’t get a heads up on what is going on in TRNC.
Stuck in the UK so not happy about the situation if when we return.

[sausage and pash]

The North as far as i know today 4 people have died. In the south i believe 17 people have died. I thought when people arrive in trnc they go into quarantine into certain hotels for 14 days. I am happy to stay on my own. My husband died a couple of days before xmas. I am on my own, first time for 50 years. Yes its hard not meeting people in local bars but i would not risk meeting and passing on virus. I do not have any symptoms but maybe touched somethimg. You never know. Its hsrd for everybody. Stay safe. A few weeks or months might save you a few years. Xxxx

[Hedge-fund]

No-one knows as yet. Governments are watching each other and garnering what they can from actions taken.

My own opinion is that most countries will quickly lift the clampdowns through May. The virus will be seen as something we have to deal with rather than shut the world away from. Masks may become the norm for a while.

[Reyntj]

Just playing devils advocate. Hypothetically you are saying in 2021 when there is a vaccine you cant allow tourists in to trnc if they have not been vaccinated. Not necessarily true , if everyone here is vaccinated whats the problem!??

[Deniz1]

Being unrecognised I hope we are not at the end of the line for the vaccine if and when it is produced.

[MVP]

Vaccines normally take 10 years to develop , test and manufacture.
Bill Gates in a BBC interview last week said it would take at least 18 months to come up with a vaccine and then a period of time to manufacture the billions of doses.
Big risk however is that as no long term testing, unwanted side affects could result from the vaccine after 2, 5 years Tec due to lack of long term testing.

The other big IF is that it may not be possible to develop a vaccine, nobody has ever managed it for the common cold.

This is another disease we are going to have to learn to live with

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Vaccines normally take 10 years to develop , test and manufacture.
Bill Gates in a BBC interview last week said it would take at least 18 months to come up with a vaccine and then a period of time to manufacture the billions of doses.
Big risk however is that as no long term testing, unwanted side affects could result from the vaccine after 2, 5 years Tec due to lack of long term testing.

The other big IF is that it may not be possible to develop a vaccine, nobody has ever managed it for the common cold.

This is another disease we are going to have to learn to live with

100% this. We need to file this alongside flu and re-open the world while we still can. By all means isolate the vulnerable but this cure is going to kill more than the virus if we aren't careful

[wanderer]

Etihad today Turkish Airlines tomorrow cant see Turkey letting the new airport going to waste and stops those from the South

Etihad Airways is to trial new airport technology designed “to help identify medically at-risk travellers”, potentially including those with those with the early stages of Covid-19.

Developed by Australian company Elenium Automation, the contactless technology can monitor the temperature, heart and respiratory rate of any person using an airport touchpoint, such as a check-in or information kiosks, bag drop facilities, security points or immigration gates.

Passengers whose vital signs indicate potential symptoms of illness will be diverted “to a teleconference or alert qualified staff on site, who can make further assessments and manage travellers as appropriate”.

Etihad will be the first airline to trial the technology from the end of this month. Initially this will be carried out with volunteers, followed by outbound passengers as flights resume.

Elenium Automation says it has lodged patents for both the automatic detection of illness symptoms at an aviation self-service touchpoint, and additionally for touchless self-service technology at an airport, which it says combined “would ensure health screenings can become standard across airports, without putting staff in harm with manual processes”.

“The system would screen every individual, including multiple people on the same booking,” said Aaron Hornlimann, CEO and co-founder of Elenium Automation.

“The technology can also be retrofitted into any airport kiosk or bag drop or installed as a desktop system at a passenger processing point such as an immigration desk. We believe the introduction of touchless self-service and automated health screening will encourage passengers to return to travel sooner.”

Meanwhile Jorg Oppermann, vice president hub and midfield operations, Etihad Airways, said:

“This technology is not designed or intended to diagnose medical conditions. It is an early warning indicator which will help to identify people with general symptoms, so that they can be further assessed by medical experts, potentially preventing the spread of some conditions to others preparing to board flights to multiple destinations.

“It has long been the case that aircraft, with their highly sophisticated air-recycling systems and standards of hygiene are not the transmission vehicle for illnesses. We are testing this technology because we believe it will not only help in the current COVID-19 outbreak, but also into the future, with assessing a passenger’s suitability to travel and thus minimising disruptions.

“At Etihad we see this is another step towards ensuring that future viral outbreaks do not have the same devastating effect on the global aviation industry as is currently the case.”

Airlines worldwide have been implementing enhanced measures to protect both passengers and staff from coronavirus – last month Business Traveller reported that Emirates was carrying out “the complete disinfection of all cabins” on all aircraft departing Dubai.

[Keithcaley]

“It has long been the case that aircraft, with their highly sophisticated air-recycling systems and standards of hygiene are not the transmission vehicle for illnesses.

What a load of tosh!

Hands up everyone who has developed flu-like symptoms within days of flying...

[jofra]

[Brazen]

“It has long been the case that aircraft, with their highly sophisticated air-recycling systems and standards of hygiene are not the transmission vehicle for illnesses.

What a load of tosh!

Hands up everyone who has developed flu-like symptoms within days of flying...

You beat me to it!

[EnjoyingTheSun]

“It has long been the case that aircraft, with their highly sophisticated air-recycling systems and standards of hygiene are not the transmission vehicle for illnesses.

What a load of tosh!

Hands up everyone who has developed flu-like symptoms within days of flying...

Actually when airplanes allowed smoking on them the air was recycled more because the visible smoke pollution forced the airlines to change the air on a regular basis. These days, with no visible pollution from smoking, airlines fly on what is called "half pack".
They don't change the air as regularly, as it costs money.
Just saying

[sophie]

Agree with KC. I've always considered that planes, together with schools and the underground were probably the three most germ ridden places to be for any length of time.

[frontalman]

I tend to agree with KC also. I'm usually OK after I fly to the UK it's the return journey on which I tend to pick up something, don't know why.

[Reyntj]

Back to the initial thread i thought this article was interesting .turkey is proposing certificating corona free tourist areas:

https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turke ... ons-154018

Perhaps trnc willbe incorporated

[rigsby]

I am with Keith and frontalman about aircraft travel,came back on CTA (remember them?) and felt so ill the next day and the chap who fetched me from Ercan went ill as well.

[waz-24-7]

Of course mankind will prevail against this virus. What will happen when a vaccine eventually arrives is yet to be determined.
However what is certain. This virus will not be the last to attack mankind.
I'm afraid that the genetics of microorganisms evolve faster than the human genome. Viruses are rapidly becoming a serious threat to life as we know it.
Anything that dilutes the evolution of the human genome dilutes the ability to defend against attack. There is a particular change within the social and sexual behaviour within the human race that is in my view weakening our position.

[Keithcaley]

There is a particular change within the social and sexual behaviour within the human race that is in my view weakening our position.

Would you care to be more specific?

[waz-24-7]

hello Keith,
I feel being more and critically specific may incite some controversy.
However,
In the modern and liberal world human behaviour has seen some real and significant alterations and change. Sexual, religious, political , social and indeed technological changes have taken place at such a pace that the human physiology has not been able to develop and evolve without putting pressure on its own survival and existence.
Foe example, dietary changes and food intolerances, sexual orientation changes, genetic manipulations of crops, and species subordinate to man, molecular fission and fusion and nuclear experimentation., exploitation and plunder of the planets natural resources. A disregard for the future and threats to the continuation of the human race.
Mankind's position and survival on this planet is a competition much like the weeds struggling to dominate a once bear patch of ground. the weak will be overcome by the stronger, adaptable and resourceful. The rules of nature have always been there. Always will be and will not change.

[MVP]

I bet there will be a massive baby boom due to the lockdown.

Overall I reckon we will be in surplus

That's nature

[Mollie the cat]

Not in this household it wouldn't, it would be a miracle.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Not in this household it wouldn't, it would be a miracle.

If me and Head Office manage it I’d have a tenner on Bernie Eccelstone instead of me in the parents sports day race in 6 or 7 years

[kerry 6138]

Apparently we've been social distancing since the millenium bug now extended due to cv19

[Deniz1]

According to a virologist on TRT news the virus started with bats passing it on to animals who are sold in live markets. Its not a manufactured virus.

[finchy]

Why would anyone want a vaccine that hasn’t gone through years and years of testing? The FEAR factor would suggest that people will be queuing up for the Covid-19 vaccine regardless, but where do we go from here, what next? Even after years of testing, how does anyone know if the vaccine won’t have an adverse reaction to medication that you are already taking? It’s no wonder that the Pharmaceutical companies or the administrator of the vaccine can’t be held responsible for any side effects!

[kibsolar1999]

we do not live in the end of 19th or beginning of the 20th century.. in the meantime thousands of vaccines have been developed and the procedere is known. that is one reason why a vaccine against covid 19 /sars cov2 is not to be expected at best before spring 2021. some say late 2021 or even 2022.
no vaccine is without side effects.. sometimes with casulties.
no reason not to trust scientists, even if companies make money with them: the gains are bigger as the casulties.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

we do not live in the end of 19th or beginning of the 20th century.. in the meantime thousands of vaccines have been developed and the procedere is known. that is one reason why a vaccine against covid 19 /sars cov2 is not to be expected at best before spring 2021. some say late 2021 or even 2022.

So do you have an exit strategy for the lockdown or do we put the world on standby for another 18 months?

[finchy]

we do not live in the end of 19th or beginning of the 20th century.. in the meantime thousands of vaccines have been developed and the procedere is known. that is one reason why a vaccine against covid 19 /sars cov2 is not to be expected at best before spring 2021. some say late 2021 or even 2022.
no vaccine is without side effects.. sometimes with casulties.
no reason not to trust scientists, even if companies make money with them: the gains are bigger as the casulties.

It's every reason not to trust a scientist, do you know what they actually put in these vaccines? Even if a vaccine is considered fully developed and tested by 2022, side effect are still highly likely, maybe immediately, in a month, or sometime in the future. The only gains will be made by the Pharma company and within 18months it won't just be a vaccine that they are pumping into you.

Regarding side effects, over the years we have had a massive roll out of vaccinations in children. The vaccination may work for some but lots of other children have had major health issues. They vaccinate children for fun these days yet we have the un-healthiest children ever

[kibsolar1999]

Regarding side effects, over the years we have had a massive roll out of vaccinations in children. The vaccination may work for some but lots of other children have had major health issues. They vaccinate children for fun these days yet we have the un-healthiest children ever

that is simply not true.
- we have an oncoming problem with diabetes and obesity. but at least they are alive, as many many died or have been very very sick without vaccinations of all kinds.
the vaccination do work for (nearly) all, with problems for some, not "different way round" as you suggest.

i know, vaccination fatigue is "common", "modern" or "mainstream in certain groups", but these arguments are neither proven nor true.
children from "radical" vaccination opponents are "profiteers" from "herdimmunisation".

[finchy]

Regarding side effects, over the years we have had a massive roll out of vaccinations in children. The vaccination may work for some but lots of other children have had major health issues. They vaccinate children for fun these days yet we have the un-healthiest children ever

that is simply not true.
- we have an oncoming problem with diabetes and obesity. but at least they are alive, as many many died or have been very very sick without vaccinations of all kinds.
the vaccination do work for (nearly) all, with problems for some, not "different way round" as you suggest.

i know, vaccination fatigue is "common", "modern" or "mainstream in certain groups", but these arguments are neither proven nor true.
children from "radical" vaccination opponents are "profiteers" from "herdimmunisation".

You really need to do your research, we really do have the unhealthiest children ever. Also, how do you explain the rapid rise in Autism in-line with vaccinations? I could go on and on. Why would you really want fetes tissue to be injected into your blood stream and all of the other crap??
Regardless of a vaccination programme, the governments really aren't interested in the peoples health, hence the reasons why we have problems with type 2 diabetes and obesity...haha but at least they are alive to drink fizzy pop and sugar saturated foods.
You also need to do some research out of mainstream info on the vaccine programme, and the fact that any health issues that are likely to be attributed to past vaccines are quickly swept under the carpet. Claims against Pharma for poor health due to vaccines are few and far between because you don't stand a chance against these massive companies.

You have your view and I have mine, I'm sure that you will have the last word BUT, I have researched the science behind vaccines and I'm also married to a human biologist, so I think that I know what is going on.

Will you be willing to be injected with a nano microchip? You do realise that this is the main intention don't you. Nano chip and 5G all around, you won't be able to fart without the government knowing

[EnjoyingTheSun]

You have your view and I have mine, I'm sure that you will have the last word BUT, I have researched the science behind vaccines and I'm also married to a human biologist, so I think that I know what is going on.

That means nothing unless you can get a Guardian survey that says 90% of the world's scientists have your point of view even if you can only get the actual names of the 3 that seem to come up with various headline grabbing quotes each year

[finchy]

I know what is going on as in this is all a method with introducing a mandatory vaccination programme.
If you want to be vaccinated then go for it, if you don't then why should you have to be?

[Tojo]

When doing your research, check out The Bill Gates Foundation and medication they are responsible for in Africa

[finchy]

Responsible for Africa or responsible for unethically experimenting with non-FDA approved vaccine.
When what they really needed was decent food and clean water.

Maybe you should research what this horrible man did to those poor African children.

[finchy]

When doing your research, check out The Bill Gates Foundation and medication they are responsible for in Africa

Responsible for Africa or responsible for unethically experimenting with non-FDA approved vaccine.
When what they really needed was decent food and clean water.

Maybe you should research what this horrible man did to those poor African children.

[kibsolar1999]

finchy,
which vaccination for children (and adults) you do not like?
on the list are:
typhus, diphtheria, smallpox, poliomyelitis,measles, german measles, scarlet feaver, mumps, HIB, rotavirus, whooping cough.
which one of those are "manufactured" from fetal issue?
(btw, "vaccination" comes from "cow"... nice to be seen eg in portuguese.. vaca = cow)

besides that, i have really no idea what a vaccination has to do with nano chips and 5 G.

ok, i might be a bit, but not in full paranoid... and i know... this does not mean that they are not after me!




btw, "autism" is a typical issue which basically never was diagnosted 2 or 3 decades ago. especially not for children. they did not know about it.
same applies actually for egh, "depression" for adults. in earlier times it was called "mood illness" . eg, my grandma. but she went through 2 worldwars. that does not count.

[cambridge]

The question I tried to propose was after the TRNC was declared virus free, which is what most people on this forum seem to want, is how can the economy which is pretty much dependent on tourism recover? I don’t think Turkey is going to have much spare cash to share. Nobody seems to want to address this issue. Surely this is the most important question to answer when the Government actions seem to, overall, working to that end. Errol ETS?

[Keithcaley]

The question I tried to propose was after the TRNC was declared virus free, which is what most people on this forum seem to want, is how can the economy which is pretty much dependent on tourism recover? I don’t think Turkey is going to have much spare cash to share. Nobody seems to want to address this issue. Surely this is the most important question to answer when the Government actions seem to, overall, working to that end. Errol ETS?

Here's the plan!

[EnjoyingTheSun]

The question I tried to propose was after the TRNC was declared virus free, which is what most people on this forum seem to want, is how can the economy which is pretty much dependent on tourism recover? I don’t think Turkey is going to have much spare cash to share. Nobody seems to want to address this issue. Surely this is the most important question to answer when the Government actions seem to, overall, working to that end. Errol ETS?

Here's the plan!

As I said on another thread I can’t see an exit strategy to the lockdown that is as risk free as people appear to want.
If the lockdown is lifted, and the virus is as serious as some believe then illnesses will just come back and we would be forced into periodic lockdowns until vaccines are available.
As for slightly opening up tourism how can that possibly work?
We first get to the stage the island is 100% virus free if that is possible? To remain safe we import tourists and then what, test them and quarantine them in a hotel and hope they haven’t bought the virus with them?
And the staff? Are they tested and then quarantined permanently in the hotel with the guests or can they come and go with the risk they then go home and start spreading the newly arrived virus? A member of their family handles something in a supermarket then that gets passed to someone else and so Off we go again. Personally I’m not buying that the gloves and masks are anywhere near 100% effective

The only way I can see that you can actually completely irradiate any chance of the virus spreading is to know for sure how long the virus stays active, go hardcore and nail all people into their homes until a week after the virus is known to die out then wrench open the doors and see who is still alive to come out and enjoy our virus free island.
I’m pretty sure that would work.

I’m fascinated to see how many extra deaths those countries who went the herd route actually have for the year. I suspect not as many as some would have it. The numbers sound high but a million plus people die on average every week. That’s a scary headline if you think about it.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Oh and don’t forget if the UK gets a workable vaccine tomorrow that works on any mutation of the virus it will take around a year to immunise everybody

[Keithcaley]

I never said that I thought that it was a GOOD plan!

[kibsolar1999]

finchy, i forgot to answer your question...

If you want to be vaccinated then go for it, if you don't then why should you have to be?

because it is antisocial. you put those in danger who can not have a vaccination, mainly for health reasons.

[erol]

The question I tried to propose was after the TRNC was declared virus free, which is what most people on this forum seem to want, is how can the economy which is pretty much dependent on tourism recover? I don’t think Turkey is going to have much spare cash to share. Nobody seems to want to address this issue. Surely this is the most important question to answer when the Government actions seem to, overall, working to that end. Errol ETS?

Er it is one R in Erol. I aint no Flynn

How is the economy going to recover without tourism ? Not sure why you think I or anyone can answer that question to be honest ? What I would note is that Turkey may not have much spare cash but it will still be 200 times bigger than the TRNC and will still have a political interest is supporting the TRNC 'disproportionately' to the 80 odd million Turks. There was no tourism post events of 1974, In fact there was no economy at all and Turkey did not have much spare cash to share then either in reality. We did survive. We did, yavash , yavash, with help from Turkey but pretty much not anyone else (and not from EU, which today in theory at least is committed to help TC community prosper economically to aid reunification prospects) (re)build a local economy including tourism. Depending how bad and long this goes on for, I guess we will do pretty much the same again as needed ?

Oh and this probably does not answer your question either

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-coro ... us/1815480

[finchy]

The question I tried to propose was after the TRNC was declared virus free, which is what most people on this forum seem to want, is how can the economy which is pretty much dependent on tourism recover? I don’t think Turkey is going to have much spare cash to share. Nobody seems to want to address this issue. Surely this is the most important question to answer when the Government actions seem to, overall, working to that end. Errol ETS?

Er it is one R in Erol. I aint no Flynn

How is the economy going to recover without tourism ? Not sure why you think I or anyone can answer that question to be honest ? What I would note is that Turkey may not have much spare cash but it will still be 200 times bigger than the TRNC and will still have a political interest is supporting the TRNC 'disproportionately' to the 80 odd million Turks. There was no tourism post events of 1974, In fact there was no economy at all and Turkey did not have much spare cash to share then either in reality. We did survive. We did, yavash , yavash, with help from Turkey but pretty much not anyone else (and not from EU, which today in theory at least is committed to help TC community prosper economically to aid reunification prospects) (re)build a local economy including tourism. Depending how bad and long this goes on for, I guess we will do pretty much the same again as needed ?

Oh and this probably does not answer your question either

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-coro ... us/1815480

The longer this lockdown charade goes on for, the worse things are going to get worldwide. The FEAR will run so deep that people won't want to travel or even go to their local restaurant. Any economic gains that have been made since the banking fiasco in 2008 have already been eroded. People won't have the money to go on holiday, they will be lucky if they still have a job. The TRNC may one day be free of the Covid-19 virus but it will have others which it has always lived with. Many places will never recover and that's not just in the TRNC.

[cambridge]

K.C.
Followed the link. Do you honestly think this would work? What about the staff, most, if not all, live off site? I would suggest that the type of holiday maker that comes to the TRNC does not come just to be confined to the hotel except , perhaps the casino hotels. Also what about the small holiday complexes usually with apartments grouped around a central pool?
It’s a very difficult problem to which I have no solution other than lifting the lockdown gradually and keeping social distance and possibly face masks in public places. Whether people would stick to these types of restrictions is another question.

[Brazen]

The question I tried to propose was after the TRNC was declared virus free, which is what most people on this forum seem to want, is how can the economy which is pretty much dependent on tourism recover? I don’t think Turkey is going to have much spare cash to share. Nobody seems to want to address this issue. Surely this is the most important question to answer when the Government actions seem to, overall, working to that end. Errol ETS?

Er it is one R in Erol. I aint no Flynn

How is the economy going to recover without tourism ? Not sure why you think I or anyone can answer that question to be honest ? What I would note is that Turkey may not have much spare cash but it will still be 200 times bigger than the TRNC and will still have a political interest is supporting the TRNC 'disproportionately' to the 80 odd million Turks. There was no tourism post events of 1974, In fact there was no economy at all and Turkey did not have much spare cash to share then either in reality. We did survive. We did, yavash , yavash, with help from Turkey but pretty much not anyone else (and not from EU, which today in theory at least is committed to help TC community prosper economically to aid reunification prospects) (re)build a local economy including tourism. Depending how bad and long this goes on for, I guess we will do pretty much the same again as needed ?

Oh and this probably does not answer your question either

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-coro ... us/1815480

But the expectations in 1974 were a lot lower than today.

[erol]

But the expectations in 1974 were a lot lower than today.

Expectations are a very subjective thing but yeah I guess if the expectations are a swift 'return to normal' they probably are not going to be meetable. Personally my expectations right now are considerably lower than this, more along the lives of 'ongoing survival in terms of basic need, food, shelter, warmth' and the like.

[MVP]

We could all stay home forever , never catch a cold or have a car accident.
It reality we all accept risks everyday, wether it be smoking, driving, sunbathing or eating too much.
The TRNC lockdown might look like it has worked today, but longer term I think the Swedes will be proved right.

[Keithcaley]

Cambridge, I repeat: "I never said that I thought that it was a GOOD plan!"

You wanted to know what they had in mind...

The plan has more holes than a Swiss cheese!

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Cambridge, I repeat: "I never said that I thought that it was a GOOD plan!"

You wanted to know what they had in mind...

The plan has more holes than a Swiss cheese!

You bought it up Keith, it's now down to you to solve it mate

My favourite in the papers was to build more big hotels and casinos was the way forward! If you can't fill what you have got.........?

I've spoken to a fair few in these massive hotels and they always used to tell me that they run at 95% capacity year round. Always 95%. While talking to them in an obviously third full hotel I just would raise my eyebrows and say they must have 130% coming in next week.

I doubt any hotel in the world runs at anything near 95% capacity and that illustrates a major problem out here. They either wont admit or don't realise they might have a problem and are too proud or arrogant to seek outside help if needed.