Covid 19 it's here.

[13roman58]

From the health ministry,
the first case of NON traceable covid 19.has been detected.
Treat anyone around you as a carrier, social distance and wear a mask outside of the house. Avoid crowded places.
Was always going to happen, have we got too careless?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

From the health ministry,
the first case of NON traceable covid 19.has been detected.
Treat anyone around you as a carrier, social distance and wear a mask outside of the house.
Was always going to happen, have we got too careless?

It was never going to disappear off the planet but we can't lock down and hide from life because people have a habit of dying.

[frontalman]

I'm surprised it's taken so long to happen. It's going to be difficult getting back to lockdown levels of care.

[Brazen]

From the health ministry,
the first case of NON traceable covid 19.has been detected.
Treat anyone around you as a carrier, social distance and wear a mask outside of the house. Avoid crowded places.
Was always going to happen, have we got too careless?

Im not sure whether we’ve (expats) got careless but the locals definitely have, they think it’s all over. The number of new cases is approaching the total during the lockdown, and without further measures it will most probably surpass it within a couple of weeks.
I think we all have to be careful and follow the rules that most now seem to have discarded.

[Hedge-fund]

No-one knew what to do at the initial outbreak.

Now that govts and health providers are better prepared there is no need to be frightened.

If you are in the at risk categories then take precautions.

Otherwise it's get on with it as best you can.

[Moonrakers]

There are a large group of expats living here who need to be more sensible and responsible. They are happy to be back cramming together in bars and restaurants even though most are in the 'at risk' category if they catch Covid 19. Unfortunately they are likely to spread the virus to folks who are social distancing and trying g to obey the rules.

[waddo]

Moonrakers, nice of you to think of "The Old Folks" but sorry, at 73 it won't stop me going out to the disco with all the 20 to 40 year olds and drinking the night away!! It must be safe to be with them I guess because they are not at risk?

The above said as a joke just in case you feel you are being picked on - lol.

It has always been here, it never went away and only more will come when the flights start coming from the UK, just deal with it and stay safe!

[Reyntj]

The problem i see is that these hotels are like he cruise ships.petri dishes. Especially the casinos. I really do not believe a lot of these hotel customers are checking in and staying in the room and waiting for the test results. They are going straight to the casino. There will be outbreaks In ?the hotels. You only have to look at what happened in salamis hotel. The accountant in concorde hotel must have been infected for a while to show symptoms .nbhow many others are infected is anybodies guess.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

The problem i see is that these hotels are like he cruise ships.petri dishes. Especially the casinos. I really do not believe a lot of these hotel customers are checking in and staying in the room and waiting for the test results. They are going straight to the casino. There will be outbreaks In ?the hotels. You only have to look at what happened in salamis hotel. The accountant in concorde hotel must have been infected for a while to show symptoms .nbhow many others are infected is anybodies guess.

TBH I think the guests at Hotel/Casinos probably rarely leave the venue but the staff they infect will.

[Hedge-fund]

. Unfortunately they are likely to spread the virus to folks who are social distancing and trying g to obey the rules.

If the folks are social distancing they should be fine.

[Maisiemoo]

I was surprised to see a few weeks back pictures of a Bingo Night at the Alsancak Park. There was no social distancing, people were packed in like sardines and no one was wearing a mask.

[Hedge-fund]

Inside or outdoors?

[Deniz1]

Go to The Cage at Cratos dancing and singing sardines there.

[Chriswright03]

We have not changed our personal safety routine at all. We of course still wear a mask when out because that is what the law says. We also continue to ensure we wash our hands frequently and use sanitizer where it is available. Many shops let it tun out and don't bother to refill it but that doesn't stop us from cleaning our hands ourselves.

We do go out to restaurants but avoid crowded bars and only use the restaurants where we know we are going to be sat far enough away from the next table.

Continuing to maintain our own safety procedures which include the way we put a mask on and take it off including being careful not to touch our faces is what we have done and what we will continue to do. In that way I believe we are as safe as we can be without self isolation again. What others do in respect of social distancing and wearing masks we have no control over but we can control our own side of things.

[Keithcaley]

What others do in respect of social distancing and wearing masks we have no control over but we can control our own side of things.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

we have no control over but we can control our own side of things.

Yep, it's called personal responsibility eg not blaming the government when you discover your spare tyre is flat.

[Brazen]

Five more cases yesterday, 3 brought into the country and 2 locals infected in the Bafra region.

[Chriswright03]

we have no control over but we can control our own side of things.

Yep, it's called personal responsibility eg not blaming the government when you discover your spare tyre is flat.

Or persecuting the 'poor' British Ex Pat who brings money into the Country by putting the price of Efes up! Hard done too that we are and all the while the locals are living the life of luxury off our hard earned pension.

[Keithcaley]

Who said that Irony is dead?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Or persecuting the 'poor' British Ex Pat who brings money into the Country by putting the price of Efes up! Hard done too that we are and all the while the locals are living the life of luxury off our hard earned pension.

Don't understand your point tbh

[Chriswright03]

Sorry a bit off the wall I know. Just many Ex Pats like to blame anyone and everyone for anything and everything. Like how many do you see not wearing a mask but I bet many of them will be moaning about others not doing so? It is a sad part of life these days that everyone knows their rights but few their responsibilities.

[ardstrawray]

we have no control over but we can control our own side of things.

Yep, it's called personal responsibility eg not blaming the government when you discover your spare tyre is flat.

Or persecuting the 'poor' British Ex Pat who brings money into the Country by putting the price of Efes up! Hard done too that we are and all the while the locals are living the life of luxury off our hard earned pension.

Not everything comes down to the price of Efes.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

everyone knows their rights but few their responsibilities.

100% agree

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Not everything comes down to the price of Efes.

Whoah, steady

[waddo]

http://www.yeniduzen.com/guneyde-vakala ... 30408h.htm

Now this is an interesting read - more so if you happen to be in the "at risk" category I feel. Glad I am at last over 60 - lol.

[Dalartokat]

On the increase in ROC.. https://www.financialmirror.com/2020/08 ... ters-grow/

[snd1966]

Now 206 confirmed cases but the most worrying news from yesterday

Two other cases had been in contact with others who were in self isolation

And i hope the following is expensive and highlighted to the extreme to ensure others do as they are asked
bring back the stocks and rotten fruit! name and shame!

The health minister stated that although some people who arrived in the country from abroad whose test results were positive, had signed a letter undertaking self-isolation, while waiting for test results. This is in violation of the law and legal action has been taken against them.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

The health minister stated that although some people who arrived in the country from abroad whose test results were positive, had signed a letter undertaking self-isolation, while waiting for test results. This is in violation of the law and legal action has been taken against them.

Well if they signed a letter.....

The enforced lockdowns were economically disastrous but if you choose to go that route then no flights, you go all in.

Also it isn't practical to go into periodic lockdowns. If you have to do it, you time it correctly to stop your health service being overwhelmed and come out of it never to return to it.

Or you could give people what information we know to make an informed choice. e.g. the odds on this killing you at age 80 are 1 in 100, at age 40, 1 in 5000, at age 20, 1 in 50,000 (or whatever the odds are) and let them take some personal responsibility.
If you feel going to a restaurant is that much of a potential danger, then don't go. Otherwise look at the odds and play the percentages.
Your odds on being killed in a plane crash are minuscule but there is a way you can completely eliminate the danger. Don't get on a plane.
Makes your life a bit more inconvenient but risk free. Ditto Cars.

You get a dog. Some dogs bite. Some dogs bite more than others. So don't be astonished if you do get bitten at some point. Maybe a goldfish would've been better?

Covid19 isn't going to disappear. Even if a vaccine comes that undoubtedly will have side effects that kill or harm some people. I've never heard of a medicine or vaccine that hasn't. So taking the vaccine is you playing the odds.

And what comes after Covid19....Covid20!!!

We can't all hide from life because people die.

[waddo]

Playing the percentages:

The average age of the cases was 41, 94 of the cases were infants, children, adolescents (0-17 years old / 7.4 percent), 927 (72.5 percent) were adults between the ages of 18-59 and 257 (20 percent, 2) were in the age group of 60 and 257 (20 percent, 2) were in the age group of 60 and over.

Did I get it wrong then with the above copy/paste from my previous post? It looks to me like the highest risk category was in the 18-59 year age bracket at 72.5%? With lowest being in the 0-17 year age bracket at 7.4%? The age bracket I was most interested in was the 60-Dead bracket which came out at 20%?

So to put it simply the 0-17 year old's stand a risk of 7.5 per 100, the 18-59 year old's stand a risk of 72.5 per 100 and all those over 60 stand a risk of 20 per hundred.

Moral - if you are over 60 don't join a group of more than 3 people and the whole group should be fine - lol. Don't you just love statistics?????

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Cases or deaths?
Big difference. Huge.
But if you want to stay indoors completely risk free forever can I have your car please? I wish you well in your quest for immortality.

[Keithcaley]

Waddo, you know, and I know, that the conclusions are suspect because they didn't state what sort of average they were using! — mean , median or mode...

Also the numbers of 'elderly' - ahem, 'mature' - individuals may well be due to that group having the sense to take greater precautions because they realised that they were more at risk.

You can prove anything with statistics

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Also the numbers of 'elderly' - ahem, 'mature' - individuals may well be due to that group having the sense to take greater precautions because they realised that they were more at risk.

You can prove anything with statistics

For sure an 87 year old house bound but with one family visitor a day.
An self sufficient 87 year old who goes to the shops.
An 87 year old packed in a care home.
An 87 year old with ongoing health issues.
A black 87 year old. An Asian 87 year old and white 87 year old.

Even with the stats on just an 87 year old in one village with those variables you could go anywhere.
Apparently Ferguson based his stats on 6 planes worth of passengers from Wuhan. Not the biggest sample.

[Moonrakers]

I do find it somewhat strange that some folks find the Covid19 situation frivolous and even amusing. Personally I am not interested much in what percentage chance of catching it or of dying from it that I have.
It kills people.
At best you can look forward to a longish and expensive period in hospital. At worst you can expect a longer period on a ventilator and /or intensive care with the chance of long term respiratory problems or actually dying.
Why can't people obey the guidelines and avoid mass gatherings just till things get easier. The virus is spreading quickly now. Soon the govt. will be left with no alternative other than to bring in another lockdown if people cannot be sensible and responsible .

[Soner]

I do find it somewhat strange that some folks find the Covid19 situation frivolous and even amusing. Personally I am not interested much in what percentage chance of catching it or of dying from it that I have.
It kills people.
At best you can look forward to a longish and expensive period in hospital. At worst you can expect a longer period on a ventilator and /or intensive care with the chance of long term respiratory problems or actually dying.
Why can't people obey the guidelines and avoid mass gatherings just till things get easier. The virus is spreading quickly now. Soon the govt. will be left with no alternative other than to bring in another lockdown if people cannot be sensible and responsible .

[Sid447]

Covid 19 is not even in the top fifteen of fatal diseases.
Masks have been proven to not work.
Sweden, who never mandated lockdown, or quarantine; and felt it wrong to take away their peoples' freedom and trusted their people to act responsibly. Sweden is laughing their sox off at just about every other country in the world.
In spite of being insulted, threatened and abused by a multitude of countries for doing so, they have achieved 'herd immunity' faster than most countries and with no effect on their economy.

1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htClxyZKp1Y
2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OVLCsbZpak
3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5Gfbu0lWQ

[MVP]

Plenty of Brits killing themselves through copius quantities of booze and fags but everyone seems to worry about covid.
Get a grip people

[erol]

Sweden, who never mandated lockdown, or quarantine; and felt it wrong to take away their peoples' freedom and trusted their people to act responsibly. Sweden is laughing their sox off at just about every other country in the world.
In spite of being insulted, threatened and abused by a multitude of countries for doing so, they have achieved 'herd immunity' faster than most countries and with no effect on their economy.

imho utter tosh. dangerous tosh.

Sweden's GDP fell 8.6% during the second quarter of the year. Sweden to date covid deaths per million population 567.21
Denmark's GDP fell 7.4% in quarter 2 of the year. Denmark to date covid deaths per million population 107.12
Finland's GDP fell 3.2% in quarter 2 of the year. Finland to date covid deaths per million population 60.35

Nor is there yet any hard evidence that Sweden has achieved 'herd immunity'.

[erol]

Plenty of Brits killing themselves through copius quantities of booze and fags but everyone seems to worry about covid.
Get a grip people

You can chose to smoke and drink or not. You do not get to chose if you catch covid or not.

[Brazen]

Sweden, who never mandated lockdown, or quarantine; and felt it wrong to take away their peoples' freedom and trusted their people to act responsibly. Sweden is laughing their sox off at just about every other country in the world.
In spite of being insulted, threatened and abused by a multitude of countries for doing so, they have achieved 'herd immunity' faster than most countries and with no effect on their economy.

imho utter tosh. dangerous tosh.

Sweden's GDP fell 8.6% during the second quarter of the year. Sweden to date covid deaths per million population 567.21
Denmark's GDP fell 7.4% in quarter 2 of the year. Denmark to date covid deaths per million population 107.12
Finland's GDP fell 3.2% in quarter 2 of the year. Finland to date covid deaths per million population 60.35

Nor is there yet any hard evidence that Sweden has achieved 'herd immunity'.

[Dalartokat]

Turkey, Croatia and Greece could be added to the UK’s quarantine list.... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... k-22532218

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I do find it somewhat strange that some folks find the Covid19 situation frivolous and even amusing. Personally I am not interested much in what percentage chance of catching it or of dying from it that I have.
It kills people.

I'm not being frivolous just pointing out that the is an element of risk in life in general.

Being frivolous would be pointing out that trousers 'kill people.'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-new ... ver-223156

Soon the govt. will be left with no alternative other than to bring in another lockdown

They might well do.

What I'm really struggling with is the casualness with which people seem to view these lockdowns.
It seems that our economy luckily isn't going to hit the worst recession in 300 years its just 100 years.

That takes us to the 1920s and 1930s. I can't be the only one on here who as a kid spoke to grandparents and old timers who almost shook in fear talking about how horrendous the depression was. The same people would be quite jolly about the Second World War. It was a depression that had Germans looking for a Hitler and an embarrassingly number looking for a Mosley.

Speculating on how many the virus could kill is difficult, it is probably easier to speculate on the bankruptcy rate or unemploment rate that is inevitably coming.

I would say they I don't view covid19 as frivolously as many view these total lock downs.
This isn't your favourite restaurant not being available for a couple of months or you not having your kids out to see you this year. This is potentially people you know going through bins to eat.

People wont have to mess around anymore with phrases like relative poverty where if someone doesn't have an IPhone 7 or higher they count as poor. This is the world economy potentially screwed for decades enough for countries to go to war scenario.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

We had a lock down out here which was inconvenient.
We couldn't renew our car tax which made us a bit twitchy driving to the shops.
Our favourite restaurant was closed.
We couldn't meet our friends on quiz night.
Pool got a bit mucky.
Dog peed on the terrace.
Caught up on a few box sets and curtain twitched to see if our neighbours put any money in their gardeners pockets.
Go on kibkom a bit more and complained about selfish people.

How about in preparation for our brave new world as we like to lockdown and make sacrifices because we are not selfish, we do a proper lock down?

From tomorrow you don't leave your house at all 24/7 except for a half hour supervised walk around your garden.
No shopping. Each week you will have a delivery of a chicken, some milk, water, a gas bottle, 2 batteries for torches, fruit and veg. Obviously no guarantees.
No electricity. As part of the lock down the electricity company workers are locked down. Remember you guys wanted a lock down and the virus to stop. All electricity goes to the hospitals. Don't be selfish.
So no catching up on those box sets I'm afraid. No skype calls home. We give you gas so you can cook and the 2 batteries will power torches or lamps to give you light.
If you want another battery or a deck of cards obviously there is a thriving black market and the guy who delivers can slip you luxuries like a week old paper for a hundred pounds. No TL.

Now that's a proper pandemic lock down. I reckon a month of that will cure a lot of people's keenness for them

[Brazen]

Perhaps there wouldn’t be need for another lockdown if the current rules were enforced.
As I understand it we are supposed to wear a mask if you venture outside your home, and definitely in ALL shops, who are supposed to check temperatures and log customers in. How many are complying with those rules? I have been to a few restaurants and in hardly any are the staff wearing masks. The main exception to that is Jashans in karaoglabaglu where every waiter wears a mask; top marks to them. There may be others but I am convinced there are not many.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Perhaps there wouldn’t be need for another lockdown if the current rules were enforced.

It's a fair point but unfortunately some people do have a tendency not to obey the rules to varying rewards. From drinking and driving, going over 70 on motorways right down to visiting the salad bar twice in a Pizza Hut.
So do we hammer the transgressors or ban cars/close motorways?
We have to be realistic, covid19 hasn't thought slim pickings in TRNC I'm going to pop on a plane. It or something similar is always going to come calling.
Personally I know with 100% certainty what I can do and am willing to do. What I can't do is accurately guess what others will do.
Many of the same people who want a lock down will be the first people to jump up and down if the transgressors are severely punished for infringing the rules.

Actions/consequences, risk/reward. People have to take an overall view of this.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Sweden, who never mandated lockdown, or quarantine; and felt it wrong to take away their peoples' freedom and trusted their people to act responsibly. Sweden is laughing their sox off at just about every other country in the world.

Sweden saw the cost of lockdown was too high and wasn’t proportionate given only the vulnerable were succumbing to COVID. Where they made their big mistake was in not doing a better job fully locking down care homes and the like.

UK would have been ok if they had stuck to only lockdown if NHS is overwhelmed but they reversed course and ended up with the worst of all worlds.

[Sid447]

Depends where you are getting your information from.

Yes they put a lot of elderly and sick people into care homes, the same as many countries did.
But they along with Belarus have achieved ''herd immunity'' faster than most other countries.

The problem is the MSM avoid talking about the success as it will make countries who have mandated these rules about masks and lockdowns look a bit silly.

[Hedge-fund]

I think the Swedish experiment failed miserably.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I think the Swedish experiment failed miserably.

The fatal error of not locking down the care homes pretty much doomed it.

[Dalartokat]

I think the Swedish experiment failed miserably.

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Certainly has, now having to play catch up.... https://www.thelocal.se/20210108/sweden ... oronavirus