New measures to be implemented.

[13roman58]

Some news avail in local press that give some of the measures up to 1st October.
Sorry can't do links.

[erol]

https://www.lgcnews.com/cabinet-announc ... 19-safety/

[13roman58]

Thank you Erol.

[Hector]

Call me an old liberal but if everyone who contracted the virus was euthanised and their bodies burned in street funeral pyres, would that help end the spread do you think? Send a message perhaps? Just a thought...

[kibsolar1999]

to end the pandemic is very easy....
... all the population on this planet wears a mask basically 24/7 and keeps distance of 1,50 meters for 4 weeks.

thats it.

[frontalman]

Call me an old liberal but if everyone who contracted the virus was euthanised and their bodies burned in street funeral pyres, would that help end the spread do you think? Send a message perhaps? Just a thought...

Get on to Donald Trump, Joe. Sounds like a winner to me.

[13roman58]

Lapta mayor confirms two positive cases in Lapta.
Contacts being quarantined. min 34.
Yeniduzen newspaper.

[wanderer]

No room at the Inn
https://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/kibris/y ... 95864.html

[13roman58]

Flights back down to two per day.
One ship.
Schools closed.
No standing in bars.
Tables must be two meters apart. Max six people.

[sunseasand]

Ay dont think we goin to get out to our place this year with all this bloody covid carry on can anyone tell us if its getting much worse out there?

[alphamike]

Here's the new list issued by ministry of health. https://saglik.gov.ct.tr/Haberler/DUYUR ... tad%c4%b1r

9 September 2020

The Final Decisions Taken by the Communicable Diseases Supreme Committee under the Communicable Diseases Act 45/2018 are listed below.

1. The banning of entertainment venues (club, disco, casino, bingo, cinema, theater, fairs, etc.) until October 1, 2020

2. Tables in bars, restaurants and taverns should not be larger than 6 people and the tables should be arranged in a distance of 2 meters. In the bars, accepting customers with the above-mentioned table layout, not accepting standing customers

3.Warning hairdressers, beauty centers and barbers to obey the rules, serious inspections (by the municipality, Ministry of Labor, security forces, etc.)

4. Closing massage parlors

Prohibition of birthdays, circumcision ceremonies, weddings, religious festivals and mass worship until 01 October 2020, restricting funeral ceremonies with the participation of First Degree relatives

6. Postponing the activities of all educational institutions (including private teaching institutions, study centers, course locations) until October 1, 2020, except for institutions providing special education and kindergartens (0-3 years old).

7. Training, competition, indoor sports and camps are not held until October 1, 2020. Continuation of individual sports outdoors and in halls; (with the condition that there are max 25 people in sports halls of 200 m2 and above, max 15 people in sports halls between 100-200m2, max 10 people in sports halls between 50-100 m2, max 5 people in 50 m2 sports halls) without spectators to be done.

8. Considering the quarantine capacity, the Ministry of Finance will limit the flights to two flights a day and the ship flights to once a day (75 passengers), provided that the people coming to our country remain in quarantine. Limitation or cancellation of flight and ship flights in cases where quarantine accommodation of future passengers cannot be provided

9.Closing children's playgrounds and parks (indoor or outdoor) until October 1

10. University students' coming to the island as of September 20 (except in necessary cases) After September 20, quarantine for 7 days in dormitories or hotels that are inspected and approved by the Ministry of Health by the universities. Restricting the daily number of students so that the university quarantine centers do not exceed the capacity

11. Cancellation of the rally and mass meetings until 1 October, programming of TV programs on television screens with a maximum of 3 people in studios with an area of ​​15-25m2, a maximum of 5 people in studios of 25-50m2 and a maximum of 10 people in studios of 50-100m2 ( The number of people determined includes the presenter and cameraman)

[13roman58]

Funerals, first degree relatives only.
That would normally mean that just the spouse that's left or no one for ex-pat funerals here . Very sad.

[Butterflyaway]

I wonder where the Kyrenia cases caught Covid?

Coming past Ozankoy last Saturday night at about 23:30, there must have been 150-200 cars parked on the main road. It looked like there was an outdoor wedding going on.

Maybe I have answered my own question.

I must say today, everyone is wearing masks and they are even covering their noses!

[frugal90]

does anyone know what is meant by "mass meetings"?

is that more than 6 or 46?

where would I find that information

thanks

[EnjoyingTheSun]

does anyone know what is meant by "mass meetings"?

is that more than 6 or 46?

where would I find that information

thanks

I know in the U.K. the main measure is what they are meeting about, out here I’m not so sure.
I guess best not to go really

[Jonnie]

"Prohibition of birthdays" someone got a god complex?

[Up the Reds.]

I'll buy that Jonnie....can do with a pause in age as it seems to be increasing at an increasingly fast rate !

[Jonnie]

I'll buy that Jonnie....can do with a pause in age as it seems to be increasing at an increasingly fast rate !

"Exponential" seems to be the buzzword these days for fast increases!

[sophie]

St Andrews Church has had to close its services for foreseeable future and we were only allowed 15 in a time in any case.

[inverno]

Does anyone know if 'live music' ..... (I use the term loosely! ) is banned in restaurants under these new restrictions ?

[forestpixie]

Live music is still allowed

[leester polfus]

Hi forestpixie.

Please can I ask where you obtained that information. I have just been advised by a restaurant owner that live music in restaurants is also suspended. Thanks.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Live music is still allowed

Excellent I don't think I could cope unless someone was filling the night air with a very loud, very mediocre cover version of a 40 year old song.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

The problem will remain the same. They could put in measures that completely eliminate covid cases and then what?
They open up to try and get some money in/get the economy moving and off we go again.
I'm not seeing an exit strategy to this.

[sophie]

Snakes and Ladders? If you think about it, we were all climbing the ladder to opening up the country albeit very slowly. Now we appear to be sliding very quickly down the snake. Only a little more and we're all back to total lock down. Or at least that's the way it appears to me. But then, what do I know?

[erol]

The exit strategy is to delay the uncontrolled spread of the virus until the risk from doing so are understood with greater certainty, until facilities are put in places to handle the consequences, until efficacy of ways and means and drugs to treat people with the virus and reduce risk of death from it are established and until things like how much 'cross immunity' if any there is in populations who have never caught the specific virus are better understood.

Kicking the can down the road for a period makes sense (to me at least) when with every passing day you become more able to ultimately make the right decisions and choices and the consequences of getting it wrong also diminish. For me the question is not 'should you try and kick the can down the road at all' but merely for how long.

[forestpixie]

Hi forestpixie.

Please can I ask where you obtained that information. I have just been advised by a restaurant owner that live music in restaurants is also suspended. Thanks.

None of my partner's gigs have been cancelled and live music isn't on the list

[leester polfus]

Thanks for that forestpixi. I was aware that live music in restaurants wasn't on the list but then being told by a restaurant owner that is was suspended... I was just curious. You would expect a restaurant owner to know the rules and stick to them. Thanks again.

[Jonnie]

The exit strategy is to delay the uncontrolled spread of the virus until the risk from doing so are understood with greater certainty, until facilities are put in places to handle the consequences, until efficacy of ways and means and drugs to treat people with the virus and reduce risk of death from it are established and until things like how much 'cross immunity' if any there is in populations who have never caught the specific virus are better understood.

Kicking the can down the road for a period makes sense (to me at least) when with every passing day you become more able to ultimately make the right decisions and choices and the consequences of getting it wrong also diminish. For me the question is not 'should you try and kick the can down the road at all' but merely for how long.

Is that the official line or your belief of what the strategy is?

[inverno]

Lester Polfus.

'You would expect a restaurant owner to know the rules and stick to them'
Steady on now !

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Snakes and Ladders? If you think about it, we were all climbing the ladder to opening up the country albeit very slowly. Now we appear to be sliding very quickly down the snake. Only a little more and we're all back to total lock down. Or at least that's the way it appears to me. But then, what do I know?

It’s a balancing act.
Every death is a tragedy for someone but sometimes you have to go to war and accept that people are going to die over a principle.
Every life is precious and has value but then how much value?
In the real world you do sometimes have to put a value on lives. Things have to be proportionate.

So we lockdown.
To what degree do we lockdown? Do we go really hardcore, people have to stay in their houses and are given a half an hour shopping slot per week or a delivery? There are a lot of us who have an income and live in a nice villa with a pool and satellite tv to entertain us but the majority out here aren’t so fortunate.
We eliminate all cases, then what?
We open up?
To what degree and to how many?
Then we get some more cases. Let’s be realistic.
How many do we accept until we lockdown again?
And on and on it’s going to go.
People are complaining that they can’t visit their holiday home and have wasted money on flights but we are getting people who are going to lose their jobs and their homes because of this. So my sympathy is more with them tbh.
I know of one person who died from this but had terminal cancer so....
I know of at least a dozen in the U.K. who have lot their jobs and can’t even find a job at a Starbucks.

[erol]

The exit strategy is to delay the uncontrolled spread of the virus until the risk from doing so are understood with greater certainty, until facilities are put in places to handle the consequences, until efficacy of ways and means and drugs to treat people with the virus and reduce risk of death from it are established and until things like how much 'cross immunity' if any there is in populations who have never caught the specific virus are better understood.

Kicking the can down the road for a period makes sense (to me at least) when with every passing day you become more able to ultimately make the right decisions and choices and the consequences of getting it wrong also diminish. For me the question is not 'should you try and kick the can down the road at all' but merely for how long.

Is that the official line or your belief of what the strategy is?

Nothing official. Just an attempt to answer the question I derived from ETS' post of 'what is the point in trying to control spread in the here and now if it is going to spread anyway sooner or later' ? Nothing more.

[erol]

It’s a balancing act.
Every death is a tragedy for someone but sometimes you have to go to war and accept that people are going to die over a principle.
Every life is precious and has value but then how much value?
In the real world you do sometimes have to put a value on lives. Things have to be proportionate.

The 'equation' is simple. Will the choices we make in response to the virus lead to more overall shortening of lifespans and suffering than not making those choices or not. The equation is simple, guessing / estimating / working out what the input numbers are is not simple

I know of one person who died from this but had terminal cancer so....
I know of at least a dozen in the U.K. who have lot their jobs and can’t even find a job at a Starbucks.

How good our estimate for the input numbers ends up being is directly related to how well we all individually and collectively manage to correctly work out what is really going on.

Back in April you were pushing the narrative that 'yes we are seeing a lot of excess deaths per week vs 5 year average but we do not know if large numbers of them were not just people who were going to die anyway in the coming weeks or months'. You were right that we did not know that then. You are still pushing the same narrative here imo in the re worked form of your 'anecdotal' story. The problem I see with that is that today, unlike back in April, we know from the ONS data, that large numbers of the 10,000 of thousands of excess deaths (from all causes) seen in April were NOT people who were going to die anyway in the subsequent 4-5 months. If they were then we would have seen cumulative negative excess deaths in the weeks and months following April and we do not see this in the data. They might yet be people who would have died in the a year but we will not know if that is the case until April next year. What we do know now that we did not and could not know back in April is they are not overwhelmingly people who would have died in the next 4-5 months.

We know more now than we did then. One of the things we know better now, is actually who is at most risk. For example we know today much better that having type 2 diabetes and even being 'un diagnosed / asymptomatic / high susceptibility' type 2 diabetic places you in the high risk category. It is by the day increasingly looking like it may be the single biggest factor after age. The person that I lost to this virus was diagnosed type 2 diabetic.

The point is that if we had just let the virus run it course from the off whilst doing doing everything to protect those most at risk from it, we would not have sought to protect type 2 diabetics as high risk as much then as we would if chose to do it now because we just did not know that role that type 2 diabetes played in terms of risk from the virus. In terms of working out the numbers for the equation, this increasing knowledge over time is something that needs to factor in when we make out best guesses in terms of action seeking the least net shortening of lives and suffering.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

'anecdotal' story

I do enjoy how anything that isn’t bolstered by some statistics which we have to take as read without question is always dismissed as anecdotal evidence but again;
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. That was their final, most essential command."

[erol]

'anecdotal' story

I do enjoy how anything that isn’t bolstered by some statistics which we have to take as read without question is always dismissed as anecdotal evidence but again;
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. That was their final, most essential command."

I describe your account as anecdotal because that is exactly what it is. You yourself described it as such before I did.

That you chose to take umbrage at that description whilst ignoring everything else I said, must indicate something.

I will try again. If a large part of the 40,000 odd excess deaths seen in April, lets say 25,000 of them, were people who just died 4-5 months early because of covid, would you see that in cumulative negative weekly excess deaths in the subsequent 4-5 months in the same region of 25,000 ? Yes or no ? Do we see that in the subsequent 4-5 months ? Yes or no ?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I will try again. If a large part of the 40,000 odd excess deaths seen in April, lets say 25,000 of them, were people who just died 4-5 months early because of covid, would you see that in cumulative negative weekly excess deaths in the subsequent 4-5 months in the same region of 25,000 ? Yes or no ? Do we see that in the subsequent 4-5 months ? Yes or no ?

I used the phrase just because it bought someone's death forward by a week or words to that effect. It was an off the cuff remark which didn't mean that if 10,000 88 year olds died this week then next weeks figure's would be 10,000 lower. I realise that you will leap on it because I make definite statements I don't couch an answer in 10,000 words which could be read any which way but lose.
My Mother is 87 years old and in the high risk category hence we have taken steps to minimise the risks to her. If she was however to die next week and they put the reason down as covid I wouldn't necessarily think but for that covid she would have lived for another ten years. What I am saying is those figures will be spiky. A coin toss is heads and tails it is 50/50. If you throw 18 heads in 20 throws it doesn't mean that the next 20 throws will give you 18 tails but it will go back to a 50/50 chance within a reasonable amount of time.
You go on about a 5 year average, you can always lose a chunk of figures in an average how about the figures this year with the worst flu outbreak in the last 20 years?

This is an interesting report, I'm not sure I necessarily agree with it 100% but it's food for thought;
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-12044923

Tell me do you believe in the auterity has caused 120,000 deaths in the last 10 years?

Do you believe the world is looking at a recession or are we going to just print money to get out of it?

I realise that there isn't a crisis ever made that varying degrees of socialism will fix. Black Lives Matter. Marxism will fix it. Climate Change. That'll be state control and the curtailment of capitalism.
But we are potentially looking at the 1930s here it's not kicking a can down the road as in we'll give it a go and if it doesn't work what harm?
We are making decisions that are going to ruin a lot of people's lives.

As for diabetes 2 being an at risk category I'm surprised that people would find that a surprise tbh.

[erol]

I used the phrase just because it bought someone's death forward by a week or words to that effect. It was an off the cuff remark which didn't mean that if 10,000 88 year olds died this week then next weeks figure's would be 10,000 lower. I realise that you will leap on it because I make definite statements I don't couch an answer in 10,000 words which could be read any which way but lose.

Back in April you were making the points like

Agreed even when the 2020 year is accounted for the 100,000 deaths may get quoted a lot but I suspect it will not significantly increase the overall total and so it will be a case of with coronavirus rather than from.
I am also saying accept that people will lose years off their expected life span, I am saying that people may lose weeks off that span.

In April the 'spike' in ONS figures (deaths from all causes) was showing around 50,000 excess deaths. Today the year to date figure is still around 50,000. So would you accept that the 'overall total' has not yet come down in the subsequent 5 months as you previous suspected it would but without giving a time frame ? If you can accept that, which is just fact as far as I am concerned, then it has to mean that we now know that we are not talking 'weeks' of lifespan but actually at least 4-5 months ? That is all I am saying.

Now if you 'off the cuff' anecdotal story was not you making the same point in a different form, even though we now have more knowledge and facts that we did back in April, then I am sorry and I apologise for the assumption. It certainly seemed that way to me.

As for the rest - out of time and should probably move to a new thread anyway. If I can be arsed will do so tomorrow.

[alphamike]

Good, because I think that I can not be the only one fed up with the ETS/Erol discussions on some posts that change to another and so on. Perhaps it's time for a debating section? I have no problem with people debating, but, in a post where info is to be gained, it gets very wearying trying to sort out the relevant info from the chaff. Also, I will not be getting into a debate over this, I cannot be assed.

[journey1]

OMG - why is this forum inundated repeatedly by a specifically few verbose members who bore so many of us with such long drawn out responses often way off topic? ( not to mention yards of repetitive post copying before an eventual comment being made)
It's so counterproductive in generating a wider dialogue where folks feel comfortable in putting their views across.
It seems to me that over the years there are fewer and fewer folks posting despite a large membership.

[jofra]

I wonder just how many forums (covering any and all subjects/interests/etc.around the world) have been destroyed by a (very) few selfish, self-centred, obnoxious individuals (some deliberately argumentative and provocative, and some gullible enough to respond to the "bait") who repeatedly take over and divert threads solely in order to argue and attempt to gain points over each other, and at the same time insult, patronise and belittle other members who are trying to contribute/gain useful information and/or conduct friendly conversations....
Did Cyprus44 succumb to this problem...?

[Jonnie]

I wonder where they get the time from.

[Keithcaley]

If you have an issue with the content of a post, use the 'Report Post' function to draw a moderator's attention to the post.

DO NOT simply post repetitive complaints on the forum itself - moderators do not read, or even attempt to read every single post on the forum, so your complaint is quite likely to go unanswered.

So, if a post appears to break one of the forum rules, use the 'report post' function.

If the post does not break the rules of the forum, leave it alone!

Remember this; you are free to NOT READ the posts of any individual at any time!

There is even a facility on the forum, in the control panel, which you can use to ensure that you never, ever, see posts by specific individuals if you so choose...

[EnjoyingTheSun]

No I'm done.
Enjoy your lockdown. BTW I comply because I bow to the majority and tbh it doesn't effect me either way.

Just don't whine that you can't take your dog for a walk and it is pooing in your garden and the gardeners aren't working or that your friends can't come and visit their holiday home. All those major problems we seem to have out here while the world collapses.

In a years time please don't whine when your children or grandchildren lose their jobs etc.
You know the phrase, you broke it, You bought it.

[Hedge-fund]

If you have an issue with the content of a post, use the 'Report Post' function to draw a moderator's attention to the post.

DO NOT simply post repetitive complaints on the forum itself - moderators do not read, or even attempt to read every single post on the forum, so your complaint is quite likely to go unanswered.

So, if a post appears to break one of the forum rules, use the 'report post' function.

If the post does not break the rules of the forum, leave it alone!

Remember this; you are free to NOT READ the posts of any individual at any time!

There is even a facility on the forum, in the control panel, which you can use to ensure that you never, ever, see posts by specific individuals if you so choose...

It's pointless you repeating this unrelated rule when many posters are saying the spaming of the board is unacceptable.

At some point you will have to come out from behind the rulebook and actually do some moderating to free up the board.

[Keithcaley]

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