Clarification of rules for crossing the Green Line

[Hedge-fund]

It will affect different travellers in different ways depending on travel patterns but nothing that wasn't expected post Brexit.

Normal tourist & swallow activity looks ok (sub 90 days etc)

https://www.infonorthcyprus.com/roc-cat ... quirements

[forestpixie]

Interesting, I'm reading it as ok for swallows and tourists but not if you live here.

[picpic]

Even more of a reason to push for direct flights from the U.K.

[waddo]

Forestpixie, that about sums it up, the RoC playing a clever game with interpretation of the green line regs, so if you want to point blame at anyone I would suggest that it is the UN and not the RoC - whatever, I think that local taxi’s will be able to make a good living with shopping trips, at least I hope so.

As for the myth of direct flights - just how picpic intends to “Push” for them is quite beyond me! Letters to MP’s? Protest marches in Lefcosia? Letters to the Foreign Office? It has all been tried before and until KKTC receives International recognition nothing will change. Maybe a “Push” for that instead?

[forestpixie]

Its all changeable here from one day to the next, good they will allow tourists (allegedly).

[compass]

It doesn't seem to address the question of crossing into the south for a day, or a few days etc and then returning to the north....

Compass

[forestpixie]

I read it that if you're a tourist etc all ok but if you live here and want to nip across then you can't.

[13roman58]

I think that the s@it is going to hit the fan when the 5+1 discussions start.
TC,S are demanding two separate states with the backing of Turkey.
GC,s want a federal state where they are in the majority .Maras closed. Soldiers out.
Can,t wait!
Border shut. Direct flights.

[Hedge-fund]

I think the UN are ready to accept 2 states if there is no prospect of an agreement at the 5+1.

[13roman58]

I think the UN are ready to accept 2 states if there is no prospect of an agreement at the 5+1.

The UN are like a toothless grandma trying to chew steak.
If they do agree that the only way is two states what will they actually do? Smack the naughty child? It's against the law to smack children.

[SussexBoy]

I think the UN are ready to accept 2 states if there is no prospect of an agreement at the 5+1.

Boris Johnson has just come out and said that he supports a bi-zonal, bi-communal federal solution based on political equality to the decades-long Cyprus problem. He rejected the two-state solution model as promoted by Turkey and President Ersin Tatar. (source: LGC News)

[waddo]

Fortunately, it is not up to the Worlds scruffiest PM, what is he doing interfering in a country that is part of a club he has just left? Shame UK did not take any action (apart from supporting the GC’s) when they were asked to use their guarantor powers!

On another point, I entered the country some 14 years ago on the high speed ferry, which did not land at Ercan, I have never left since then so can I go South?

[waz-24-7]

There is no rush or political motivation to secure any of the "Cyprus problem" solutions. The differing factions continue to disagree for the sake of it.
Peace prevails. UK military bases remain secure. Listening and launch arrangements continue unhindered.

Upon the latest announcement by the ROC. Larnaca and Paphos remain available to TRNC visitors provided that Ercan is excluded from travel plans.
This again hits the TRNC but maintains a revenue stream for the ROC airports.
The deal only applies to visitors and only under the 90/180 days proviso.
Not brilliant but is better than a total exclusion.
Crossing the green line for fleeting visits appear to be prohibited if port of entry is or has been Ercan. With digital tracking and scanning of documents movements are easily logged and recorded. Expect some border issues based on that.

[Hedge-fund]

I think the UN are ready to accept 2 states if there is no prospect of an agreement at the 5+1.

Boris Johnson has just come out and said that he supports a bi-zonal, bi-communal federal solution based on political equality to the decades-long Cyprus problem. He rejected the two-state solution model as promoted by Turkey and President Ersin Tatar. (source: LGC News)

Politicians always say they are not going to do something right up to the point where they do it.

[Hedge-fund]

I think the UN are ready to accept 2 states if there is no prospect of an agreement at the 5+1.

The UN are like a toothless grandma trying to chew steak.
If they do agree that the only way is two states what will they actually do? Smack the naughty child? It's against the law to smack children.

They won't need to use violence.

Recognition is the tool they have.

[jofra]

The crux of the matter?
"I think the UN are ready to accept 2 states if there is no prospect of an agreement at the 5+1."
"The UN are like a toothless grandma trying to chew steak."
... praise for a "reasonable, pragmatic compromise and acceptance of reality" vs. loss of face for "abandoning their steadfast resolutions"....
Which are the UN likely to go for? Remember even they are politicians... It could go either way, although status quo is the simplest...

[Reyntj]

Hedge-fund I'm interested to see what your thought process is that has led you to this conclusion? I'm not disagreeing with you by any means but the whole thing seems so foggy so interested to see your reasoning for your perspective .

[Reyntj]

Also back to the main post .I don't doubt the first post but the Greeks fake document has certainly had its desired effect as people will refrain from booking to fly to larnaca until they have hard evidence that the GCS won't play silly buggers for checkpoint travel to the north

[AFC]

Quick couple of questions, If you have friends living in the south legally, with a residency document would they be allowed to travel to and fro?

If those friends have used Ercan previously and it is as such stamped on their passport, are they at risk of losing their Cypr residency permit?

Finally if we from the north go via the Beyarmudu / Pergamos, would we be stopped?

[Hedge-fund]

Hedge-fund I'm interested to see what your thought process is that has led you to this conclusion? I'm not disagreeing with you by any means but the whole thing seems so foggy so interested to see your reasoning for your perspective .

Thought process:-

TRNC & Turkey are aligned in exactly what they want
UN are under pressure to get a solution or withdraw from the Island
Turkey's actions in Syria , Azer & Libya show they are prepared to intervene locally
Gas - no-one is getting anything out of the ground unless Turkey is onboard
NATO - the west desperately need to keep Turkey in the club
ROC have no intention of sharing real power with TCs - the UN blueprint has failed for 50 years. They were happy to continue with the messy status quo but in view of Gas, UN finance, Turkey's expansionism & geo-political importance (as mentioned) they will be forced into a least worse settlement. The ROC president has admitted the 2 state solution was discussed favourably at Crans Montana.


We could all write a book on what we think of the Cyprus Problem and peace process but I think these points will comprise some of the agenda at the 5+1

[erol]

UN are under pressure to get a solution or withdraw from the Island

That has been true since they first arrived on their bicycles in 1964.

Turkey's actions in Syria , Azer & Libya show they are prepared to intervene locally

And 1974 showed they were prepared to intervene militarily in Cyprus and remain indefinitely.

Gas - no-one is getting anything out of the ground unless Turkey is onboard

Remains to be seen. Gas is already coming out of the ground in the region in terms of Israel's leviathan field in a zone agreed between Israel and RoC under the international 'laws' on such things that Turkey is not a signatory too.

NATO - the west desperately need to keep Turkey in the club

NATO future and existence post Trump has changed. If Trump or Trumpist were to win the presidency again then it is far from certain that keeping Turkey in NATO would be any sort of priority for US at all.

ROC have no intention of sharing real power with TCs - the UN blueprint has failed for 50 years.

Cypriots do not need to share power. Just need enough of them as individuals in their respective communities to chose to believe that we are part one singular thing that is 'Cypriot'. Do that and the need for 'sharing' evaporates.

[Reyntj]

Turkey has certainly asserted itself as a regional power.

[erol]

re asserted itself

[EnjoyingTheSun]

This may be a generalisation but any solution or agreement to two dissenting sides requires some compromise on both sides.
The GCs have done very well at of not compromising so why would they now?

[erol]

This may be a generalisation but any solution or agreement to two dissenting sides requires some compromise on both sides.
The GCs have done very well at of not compromising so why would they now?

Not if you remove the sides. That is my point. That doing so is actually a matter of personal choice of each and every individual and under their own direct control often gives me pause for thought. For if there is any degree of reality from any perspective in what I am suggesting then a solution does not lie with the 'UN' or Governments or foreign powers or motherland powers. It actually just rests within each and every ordinary Cypriot and how those individual choices add up within each community of Cypriot.

[Hedge-fund]

Turkey has certainly asserted itself as a regional power.

Indeed and Russia is taking notice. Whereas previously they would have blocked anything affecting their relationship with ROC I think current events may allow the UN to act without permanent members kicking the issue back into the long grass.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Not if you remove the sides.

My point was not particularly based on the two sides of this but any two dissenting sides and compromise.
If by never giving you generally get the majority of what you want then why would you change your behaviour and compromise?
Personally I think the moment they let the Greek side join the EU this was done. They've already had their ice cream why would they want to tidy up their bedroom now?

[Reyntj]

This may be a generalisation but any solution or agreement to two dissenting sides requires some compromise on both sides.
The GCs have done very well at of not compromising so why would they now?

Not if you remove the sides. That is my point. That doing so is actually a matter of personal choice of each and every individual and under their own direct control often gives me pause for thought. For if there is any degree of reality from any perspective in what I am suggesting then a solution does not lie with the 'UN' or Governments or foreign powers or motherland powers. It actually just rests within each and every ordinary Cypriot and how those individual choices add up within each community of Cypriot.

Unfortunately Cyprus has been s political pawn for centuries. Ethically you are of course correct .