Champions league

[Lhasa]

Are Grease Monkey in Catalkoy showing the final? Or anywhere else in Catalkoy (not the Lodge...)

[Lhasa]

Should read Champions league.....

[Groucho]

Should read Champions league.....

You do know there's a perfectly good edit button, looks like a pencil in all your posts...

[Lhasa]

Well you learn something new everyday.....

[Lhasa]

So does anyone know where the match is on Saturday?

[Groucho]

The Paradise Bar always advertised as the place to watch live footie but I have no idea if they still do...

It's located near Ledi in Catalkoy

[wanderer]

Still do football let Mus know you're going 10 pm kick off

[ginge]

Stone Cavern Ozankoy

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Poor Liverpool fans were picked on again last night. 60,000 fans in Paris with 20,000 tickets, I for one don’t believe for one second any of that ticketless 40,000, let alone say 10%, tried to bunk into the stadium causing the police to overreact and so all the Liverpool fans, even those doing it the right way, suffered.

[Brazen]

09488E2C-3489-47BC-B92D-BFAED3C5E080.jpegPoor Liverpool fans were picked on again last night. 60,000 fans in Paris with 20,000 tickets, I for one don’t believe for one second any of that ticketless 40,000, let alone say 10%, tried to bunk into the stadium causing the police to overreact and so all the Liverpool fans, even those doing it the right way, suffered.

Trouble just seems to follow Liverpool fans around and they are never responsible. It’s always the police, the arena or anything else they can come up with.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Trouble just seems to follow Liverpool fans around and they are never responsible. It’s always the police, the arena or anything else they can come up with.

Apparently those Liverpool supporters filmed in Liverpool shirts with scouse accents climbing up he fences were local French people pretending to be Liverpool supporters!
You have to love them

[marlowe78]

Watch the news again without a drink and you will see what really happened. I was there

[Medjoul1]

ETS, your version of events would appear to be at odds with the people that actually witnessed the events.
Don't let the facts get in the way of your very obvious anti Liverpool sentiments but you might consider the eye witness accounts from the Spanish publication 20 minute who interviewed Real Madrid supporters who had difficulty with access and were harrased, mugged and robbed by local gangs. They concluded that it was unfair to blame the British as local youths were identifying their victims inside the ground by their watches and mobile phones then scaling the fence to get inside to rob them.
The police blocked the underpass the Liverpool supporters had to use allowing a trickle through until it was realised the majority would be late for the game. They then removed the police vans blocking the underpass which allowed a mass of supporters to suddenly access the turnstile areas where the stewards were having difficulty identifying fake from real tickets. A supporter with a complimentary ticket from a Liverpool player was turned away.
The sudden appearance of thousands of supporters from the road block resulted in a crush and the police responded with tear gas. The veteran Liverpool player Alan Kennedy was one of those and was lifted to safety by fellow supporters as we're many others.
Sky news have extensive coverage to the events having reporters outside the stadium who said they retreated into their mobile units for their own safety due to the threat from local youths roaming the concourse.

alphamike, your comments sounded vaguely familiar and then it came to me. They were almost verbatim from the law breaking, lying, philandering Boris de Pfeffel Johnson when he was editor of a rag known as the Spectator following the Hillsborough disaster where 97 supporters lost their lives due to police incompetence.
Remember Hillsborough and the lies and cover ups that followed?
The truth will out

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Liverpool had 20,000 tickets. Anything between 60,000 & 150,000 Liverpool supporters were in Paris. Lets say it was 40,000 extra supporters & say 10% of those decided to bunk into the game. 4000 people deciding to force their way into a game would cause chaos and could cause death. If you read any books on Liverpool in Europe the interviews with the supporters will always have accounts of them bunking into games. Obviously for Hillsborough every single Liverpool supporter had a ticket but that’s another story.
Yes most of the Liverpool supporters at the ground had tickets on Saturday & like the 96 were completely innocent but this large entitled faction who don’t or can’t get tickets but feel they are entitled to see the match anyway will bully their way into grounds or even steal tickets from their own supporters which was rife in Athens in 2007. They are fortunate because when this is pointed out the Liverpool supporters & press will circle the wagons & rather than point out the obvious that there are a large group of Liverpool supporters who cause problems will say ALL of them are completely innocent & somehow always have the bad luck to be involved in incidents. For Heysel their first reaction was to blame Chelsea fans & some will still come out with that nonsense. Yes foreign police over react, always have done. All football supporters who travel abroad know the foreign police are given the green light to sort out English fans. Also the police will cover their tracks. Here’s a test gave a look at the walkways at the Liverpool end. They were packed with supporters. Why would you sit or stand in the walkway if you had a ticket?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

They concluded that it was unfair to blame the British as local youths were identifying their victims inside the ground by their watches and mobile phones then scaling the fence to get inside to rob them.

Do you think before you believe this nonsense and post it?

Generally muggers mug because it is an easy way to earn money but these muggers break into a heavily policed football ground to get inside & rob people? Not wait outside & rob them then? Or go somewhere else which will be lightly policed due to the strain on the police force & mug people there?

Want to buy a bridge?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Watch the news again without a drink and you will see what really happened. I was there

Then you would have seen lots of Liverpool supporters in the walkways? Wonder why?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

One is the Real Madrid End & one is the Liverpool end. Note the blue walkways which should be kept clear for access. I guess if you haven’t got a ticket you’ve got to stand or sit somewhere?

[marlowe78]

Just wait for the full investigation. I saw everything with my own eyes just like Hillsborough. They opened the turnstiles at one point & let people in without showing tickets. What happens when you enter the ground a long way from your seat when fearing for your life is that you sit/stand anywhere for safety. I am in no doubt that a few fans bunked in as this happens at all finals but this was clearly gross misconduct & negligence by the authorities.

[Brazen]

Just wait for the full investigation. I saw everything with my own eyes just like Hillsborough. They opened the turnstiles at one point & let people in without showing tickets. What happens when you enter the ground a long way from your seat when fearing for your life is that you sit/stand anywhere for safety. I am in no doubt that a few fans bunked in as this happens at all finals but this was clearly gross misconduct & negligence by the authorities.

Were the Liverpool seats all taken?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I am in no doubt that a few fans bunked in as this happens at all finals but this was clearly gross misconduct & negligence by the authorities.

All clubs have fans who try to bunk in. The football authorities have always treated their customers with contempt. Foreign police have always been heavy handed with football supporters. Police forces in general will generally try to cover up fault. My problem is amongst football supporters it is known Liverpool are particularly bad for this but it is almost illegal to point this out. They will wrap themselves in Hillsborough but when you see them bullying their way into grounds up & down the country & across Europe you do wonder are they just paying it lip service?
Hillsborough was an accident waiting to happen I personally was in fear of my life there in the 81 semi final & those that died were 100% innocent but you knew when it did happen it was going to happen to Liverpool.
I honestly believe that the media do seem to give Liverpool supporters a pass on any criticism

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Heysel, Hillsborough and now Paris.

Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, but thrice is a pattern.

Don’t forget Athens.
Four countries four different football stadiums, authorities & police forces but one common denominator

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/20 ... .liverpool

[EnjoyingTheSun]

More on Athens

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ry.sport13

[Reyntj]

Brazen I can only assume you mean that the police have a pattern of targetting Liverpool fans?
April 2016. The inquest jury concludes that the 96 victims were “unlawfully killed” and that Liverpool fans' behaviour did not contribute to the crush. The findings heavily criticise the police operation, stadium layout and design, and local ambulance service.26 May 2021

96 innocent fans where unlawfully killed at Hillsborough. I really hope you are not suggesting something different it's an insult to the dead people family. Quite despicable behaviour really . Try going into a bar and voicing your opinions as opposed to a forum . I doubt you would be popular with any real.football fan ....

[Brazen]

Brazen I can only assume you mean that the police have a pattern of targetting Liverpool fans?
April 2016. The inquest jury concludes that the 96 victims were “unlawfully killed” and that Liverpool fans' behaviour did not contribute to the crush. The findings heavily criticise the police operation, stadium layout and design, and local ambulance service.26 May 2021

96 innocent fans where unlawfully killed at Hillsborough. I really hope you are not suggesting something different it's an insult to the dead people family. Quite despicable behaviour really . Try going into a bar and voicing your opinions as opposed to a forum . I doubt you would be popular with any real.football fan ....

I’m not trying to insult the dead people at all, I am just pointing out that trouble appears to follow the scally Scousers but as you have said it’s probably because the police, authorities and stadia are targeting them . You have ignored Heysel the result of which all other English teams were banned from European matches for 10 years, so I can only assume that the Liverpool fans were a teeny, teeny bit responsible for the deaths there. What do you think?

[Brazen]

More on Athens

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ry.sport13

Ah, forged tickets which sounds familiar.

[PoshinDevon]

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[EnjoyingTheSun]

You have ignored Heysel the result of which all other English teams were banned from European matches for 10 years, so I can only assume that the Liverpool fans were a teeny, teeny bit responsible for the deaths there. What do you think?

They had a go at blaming Chelsea fans infiltrating originally but it didn’t fly when everyone who got charged came from Kirby & the Wirral.
Speaking of Heysel, for which they will take a tenth of the blame if you keep pressing it, it was interesting that Liverpool had their parade this year on the anniversary of Heysel. Obviously the council etc have a big say in when the parade can take place but can you imagine if anyone had dared to have a parade on the anniversary of Hillsborough?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

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Thanks.

Everyone feels every sympathy for the Hillsborough victims who were 100% innocent but it has been used to close down any and every criticism of Liverpool supporters & it certainly works in the media.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Ah, forged tickets which sounds familiar.

25 incidents from 2003 to 2007 but it’s the authorities fault, the security’s fault etc etc.

[marlowe78]

Here here poshindevon. The words chip and shoulder spring to mind

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Here here poshindevon. The words chip and shoulder spring to mind

The words ticketless supporter trying to stand on the shoulders & body of a fellow supporter who got a ticket spring to mind but carry on and we’ll pray there won’t be another disaster

[wanderer]

The comments on Hillsborough the tragedy
It nearly nearly happened before when Tottenham played Wolves in a semi final 1981
There was a crush just after KO at the Leppings lane end and Spurs supporters came onto the pitch under supervision
https://youtu.be/jtzHVe2mEN0

I was on the side seats with the Wolves Supporters .
Not much was said other than a bit of a crush and people taken out ,
Nothing to see move on

NO LESSONS WERE LEARNED

I followed on twitter Skys coverage which has been excellent.Obstructed walk way with police vans
In the queues Siddique Khan Gary Lineker Dalgleish's daughter Kelley Cates sky commentator All the corperats were caught up in it major
sponsor Master Card )MC)who had corporate clients there and MC staff who MC have a duty of care to EUFA have a problem
Liverpool police observers Liverpool stewards saw no problems with the fans only with the organisation of the event
No screening of people going into the perimeter to weedout ticketless trouble makers
Piss up and brewery come to mind

[Medjoul1]

In 'The Times' newspaper this am.
The mayor of Paris has said there must be an end to the denial and blame game, an apology must be issued.
ETS welcome to the 21st century. The allocation was for 20,000 and there were up to 60,000 Liverpool supporters in Paris where a big screen had been erected for those without tickets at Vincennes. The numbers are hardly surprising given that Liverpool are the UK's most successful club in Europe with a devoted following. Paris is but a hop, skip and jump away for them.
Your assertion that fans were bullied for tickets is completely without foundation as are most if not all of your statements. Ignore the eye witness accounts from credible sources ie. accredited journalists and fall back on your prejudices from behind your keyboard.

[Reyntj]

Heysel was 37 years ago . No doubt the Europeans still hold a grudge . It seems it's being referred to here as a recent event and nothing has changed in that time ...might as well throw in world war 2 then as well ....whilst football hooligans still exist imo it's not to the same extent as in the 80s and 90s other teams come to mind as well like Millwall and the icf etc . Heysel was a generation ago...calling scoursers scallies and referring to Hillsborough is clearly an insult and stereotyping people from Liverpool so clearly your a racist judging people from where they are . Like the Essex chavs and the Nigerian fraudsters you probably don't like Nigerians or people from Essex to . It's hateful speech and insulting to people from Merseyside imo. Considering this is an expat forum it's undesirable.

[Reyntj]

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproj ... anism.html

Im sure if you went on a forum with juventus fans on and Said that trouble follows their supporters and include a reference to heysel inferring they where to blame like you did with Liverpool and Hillsborough where many people got unlawfully killed that would go down like a lead balloon.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

The comments on Hillsborough the tragedy
It nearly nearly happened before when Tottenham played Wolves in a semi final 1981
There was a crush just after KO at the Leppings lane end and Spurs supporters came onto the pitch under supervision
https://youtu.be/jtzHVe2mEN0

I was on the side seats with the Wolves Supporters .
Not much was said other than a bit of a crush and people taken out ,
Nothing to see move on

NO LESSONS WERE LEARNED

I followed on twitter Skys coverage which has been excellent.Obstructed walk way with police vans
In the queues Siddique Khan Gary Lineker Dalgleish's daughter Kelley Cates sky commentator All the corperats were caught up in it major
sponsor Master Card )MC)who had corporate clients there and MC staff who MC have a duty of care to EUFA have a problem
Liverpool police observers Liverpool stewards saw no problems with the fans only with the organisation of the event
No screening of people going into the perimeter to weedout ticketless trouble makers
Piss up and brewery come to mind

Hillsborough wasn’t fit for purpose and hadn’t been for years. The only reason Spurs supporters weren’t killed was we stopped pushing each other to try & get in & the stand wasn’t over capacity.
Both the statements below are true, always.
The police abroad especially always over react.
The football organisers have contempt for their customers & are appalling organisers.

But here’s the thing, others clubs will be ok & not cause riots or put their own supporters in danger

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Heysel was 37 years ago . No doubt the Europeans still hold a grudge . It seems it's being referred to here as a recent event and nothing has changed in that time ...might as well throw in world war 2 then as well ....whilst football hooligans still exist imo it's not to the same extent as in the 80s and 90s other teams come to mind as well like Millwall and the icf etc . Heysel was a generation ago...calling scoursers scallies and referring to Hillsborough is clearly an insult and stereotyping people from Liverpool so clearly your a racist judging people from where they are . Like the Essex chavs and the Nigerian fraudsters you probably don't like Nigerians or people from Essex to . It's hateful speech and insulting to people from Merseyside imo. Considering this is an expat forum it's undesirable.

This is wonderful. So let me get this clear Heysel was
37 years ago so we should draw a line under it as ancient history but Hillsborough which was 33 years ago is still fresh & needs to be brought up at any opportunity? Pointing out that Liverpool has a fair few scummy supporters means I hate Nigerians?
Surely it’s more accurate to say that as you don’t wish Heysel brought up that you think English supporters in particular Liverpool supporters have the right to murder foreigners?
All clubs have some hooligans but only one club has murdered other clubs supporters in such numbers & only one club seems to be involved in so many life threatening incidents

[EnjoyingTheSun]

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproj ... anism.html

Im sure if you went on a forum with juventus fans on and Said that trouble follows their supporters and include a reference to heysel inferring they where to blame like you did with Liverpool and Hillsborough where many people got unlawfully killed that would go down like a lead balloon.

I can guarantee that if you said they should stop banging on about Heysel and quote that article which seems to indicate that it might well have been them killing Liverpool supporters then you’ll be eating through a straw for 6 months

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Your assertion that fans were bullied for tickets is completely without foundation as are most if not all of your statements. Ignore the eye witness accounts from credible sources ie. accredited journalists and fall back on your prejudices from behind your keyboard.

Ok like at Hillsborough where EVERY single Liverpool supporter had a ticket & not one bunked into this one game, “hands up we bunked into loads of others but not this one” Paris is the one game where Liverpool supporters didn’t have forged tickets, didn’t try & steal them off each other & didn’t try & bunk in the ground?
I’m sure the media will back it up as they are terrified of being cancelled in Liverpool it seems.
True football supporters who go to games have always known the truth behind ‘the most sporting fans in the country.’ None of us were surprised by Heysel when it happened but were surprised when it didn’t seem to tip off the more naive but….

[Reyntj]

Ets I wasn't replying to you . You are a known troll on this forum and best ignored you go from one argument to the next . I didn't bring up Hillsborough I was objecting to it being brought up because anybody involved with football knows the 2016 enquiry confirmed cover ups by the police and fans where unlawfully killed . Another objection was to the same poster who brought up Hillsborough to using the racist slur of referring to scousers as scallies . You go round the forum trying to create arguments id prefer not to have any engagement with you goodbye and don't reply to any more of my posts you will be ignored .

[EnjoyingTheSun]

id prefer not to have any engagement with you goodbye and don't reply to any more of my posts you will be ignored .

I know you’d rather give your opinion & then have any dissenting opinions cancelled by some excuse such as it being hate speech or racism but bad luck. Are people from Liverpool/Scousers a race? No, but bless you for trying

[marlowe78]

Wow you really do have a problem enjoyingthesun. I read your rants on other subjects and I'm amazed your still allowed to post

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Wow you really do have a problem enjoyingthesun. I read your rants on other subjects and I'm amazed your still allowed to post

Keep pushing that cancel culture I’ll not say anymore or else I’ll be accused of racism or transphobia or whatever ism is the latest to be used to shut down any dissension.

[Reyntj]

Trollism.

[PoshinDevon]

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