I do hope so

[Kanonier]

To be honest, I really haven't noticed a great deal of difference to my personal circumstances since we left the EU. The only exception to that is the increase in whingers and bad losers that Brexit has thrown up. Time to stop living in the past guys.

What did you expect to happen?
Are you concerned over the Brexit Irish problem
Are you concerned over the lack of new trade deals?
Are you concerned how trade with the EU is evaporating.
Are you concerned that our border controls are broken
Are you concerned over the UK economy being so short of labour previously provided by Europeans
Are you concerned that the cost of and routes to Kibris are now negatively impacted
Are you concerned over the hard line being taken by our European customer base.
Just a snippet of course. I leave you to watch the lead video to enlighten you upon the immigration theme.

These things may not affect you directly but certainly you should ask yourself.
What did I vote for if I see no real change? Particularly as so many are indeed directly and negatively impacted.

I would be interested to know how you have come to the conclusion that I voted "Leave", or do just make assumptions about people who don't see your point of view?

[TRNCMaths]

My take on all this is that so many in 2016 (probably at least 20%) unfortunately voted as if dissatisfied with the incumbent party. Sadly unlike a party election, it wasn't really something that could be rectified 5 or so years later. As pointed out by ETS we can't "keep voting until they vote as we wish". Personally, I'd like another referendum ... but I have to be realistic - If we vote to rejoin, will there then be calls in future to again leave?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

over the now broken NHS.

Ah yes the NHS, we can of course always be grateful to the EU for the creation of the NHS. It would have been impossible for Britain to create something like the NHS without the EU.

Every single UK citizen will be negatively impacted by the absence of the UK from the European Horizon science scheme.

I’m not 100% sure of this scheme. Roughly is it where we send ten billion to the EU and after them taking a few billion off for admin and sending a few billion to less well-off countries we get 3 billion back for scientific research?
If you give me a minute I can think of a viable alternative and cut out the middle man

I have asked several to comment or offer up same. The silence is deafening

Every time someone puts up a trade deal or anything positive after it obviously sends you to your bed wailing for a few days you either ignore it or brush it off as quickly as you can

Of course it is now quite clear that there is a majority for being back in the EU.
Democracy will prevail once again hence my
‘ I hope so ‘ opener.
It is fair and proper for one of the lead political parties to register and capitalise on what is certainly a vote winner.

Let’s see what comes forth in due course.

You agree Starmer is pro EU?
You acknowledge that he has access to opinion polls far more sophisticated than those you receive through EU Is Wonderful weekly?
Why hasn’t he mentioned having another referendum if Labour wins power if it’s such a vote winner and aligns with his own wishes?
Unless of course his plan is to simply have us rejoin the EU without another referendum?
Let’s say he did do that, you will obviously condemn it as obviously that would be undemocratic? I know how important democracy is to you
Just to be clear can I hear you condemn it as undemocratic if we were to rejoin the EU without another referendum?
Obviously as people are allowed to change their minds you will of course be in favour of there being regular referendums on membership of the EU? Every 5 years? Or every year if we vote to leave and every 50 years if we vote to remain?

It is of no suprise that Brexit is not a topic of conversation within your own family.
It is not in mine so often too.

That actually made me spit my coffee out. But I believe you. I mean 99% of your posts on here are about Brexit but….

It is my view that Putin has identified a weaker Europe after the departure of the UK. His military actions have been precisely planned around that combined with the world turmoil after covid.

Lot of heavy lifting here. Putin would only be worried about America’s reaction. I doubt he lays awake worrying about Belgium or France’s reaction.
The EU’s drive to include every country including Ukraine in its expansion was a major factor though. Putin’s position has always been that Ukraine can go its own way but any alignment with NATO or the EU was a red line.

One must take a global view of world order and to simply not discuss indicates a lack of understanding or interest.

Very true, you don’t

[EnjoyingTheSun]

My take on all this is that so many in 2016 (probably at least 20%) unfortunately voted as if dissatisfied with the incumbent party. Sadly unlike a party election, it wasn't really something that could be rectified 5 or so years later. As pointed out by ETS we can't "keep voting until they vote as we wish". Personally, I'd like another referendum ... but I have to be realistic - If we vote to rejoin, will there then be calls in future to again leave?

I’d agree that the vote did seem to be a protest vote against the establishment as well.
I respect your take that it wasn’t your wishes but…
That’s the downside of democracy, quite often you get something you didn’t vote for but the alternative is too horrendous to contemplate.
If governments ignore the wishes of their people then we are on a slippery slope.
Obviously there are some that wouldn’t be too fussed as long as they got back in the EU

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Waz,

Let’s say we were offered a deal to rejoin the EU. Exciting eh???

I doubt we would be offered a deal on the same conditions as we left so where are your red lines or indeed do you have any?

We have to join the Euro?

We have to accept that there will be an EU army & its deployment, whether conscription would be introduced etc will be decided by the EU?

Country’s vetos would be a thing of the past

We would have to accept that Britain & all countries would cease to be independent nations and fully integrate into a United Nations of Europe within 10 years?

Let’s just imagine the EU was totally transparent with these aims?

Any of those a red line for you?
Be honest if you can

[PoshinDevon]

Waz - Yet again I ask please acknowledge the U.K. only left the EU 3 years ago.

Secondly please acknowledge that since leaving the EU there has been a world global pandemic and also a crisis in Europe due to a certain Mr Putin.

Thirdly and finally please do let me know if none of the above have had an impact on the U.K. economy and indeed world economies and if so the reasons why.

I am happy to debate with you but you always carefully avoid answering the questions posed. All you do is repeat your same mantra about the U.K. being left behind and how Brexit has really hurt your business interests and travel arrangements.

I acknowledge the UK left the EU some 3 yrs ago
The departure plan or indeed lack of same commenced immediately after the referendum result
It is my view that loss and damage started immediately post referendum particularly in economic and business circles.
I have illustrated some aspects of damage and loss
It is certainly not centred only upon my own losses and new but predictable difficulties.
If you feel you are in a better or stronger position or can present any positives post Brexit I’m all ears
I have asked several to comment or offer up same. The silence is deafening

At last. One question down. We agree the U.K. only left the EU 3 years ago and not 7 as you posted.

Now the next questions were about a global pandemic and Mr Putins expansion plan. Do you accept that both of these events have impacted not only on the U.K. but also world economies? My guess is that as far as the U.K. is concerned you would put it all down to Brexit.

One more question; do you believe 3 years is sufficient time to unravel all our links to the EU given we were a member for 47 years?

I would have preferred progress to have been quicker on all aspects of leaving the EU however given what’s happened over the last few years I am sensible enough to realise the challenges faced. It was never going to be nirvana the day after.

Yavas yavas.

[waz-24-7]

Okay
Posh
I have explained my position upon the 3 and 7 yrs Brexit cycle.
Markets reacted immediately post referendum result and certainly did not wait for 3.5 yrs to send the signals that are now abundantly clear. You a clearly out of touch on markets and how quick investors react to good and bad news.

3yrs to unravel! Should we have asked global markets to hold fire on trade and investment whilst we get to grips with what we have done!! Quite laughable.
Indeed the uK is still not ready. We are forced to accept EU regulations upon food standards, fishing, CE marking.
Why? We just don’t have anything in place.
To trade with the EU they set the market, set standards and make the choices that matter. Much of the world follows and supports the golden CE mark.
There is just do much loss and absolutely no gain or prospect of improvement

Yes
Covid influenced global markets as well as world order. However and certainly the bounce back for most has been swift, focused and successful.
The UK remains in Brexit doldrums trying to sort the Brexit Irish issue and the influx of all those immigrants.
Positivity is rarer than rocking horse poo with no plan , strategy that can be sold to me at least.

As I have indicated. Putin and others have capitalised on on world disorder from covid. Putins generals identified an EU and UK in shock following the surprise Brexit result. Without doubt Putin was advised to go now whilst advantage is present. A weaker and vulnerable union.
China expansion in South China Sea and around Taiwan carries similarities based on covid turmoil

Yes
I agree nothing great in past 3 yrs…your time scale not mine.
What are you expecting to emerge ?
In say 20 or even 40 yrs
How will we compete with the EU ?
Will the UK attempt to replace the very highly successful science horizon co operation. Impossible I think.
Can we afford to expand defence to a level matching the great powers? Absolutely not
We can’t even balance the books now.
Why is It 68% now favour being European.

Back to you
I wonder your answers.
I’m again all ears.

[Kanonier]

To be honest, I really haven't noticed a great deal of difference to my personal circumstances since we left the EU. The only exception to that is the increase in whingers and bad losers that Brexit has thrown up. Time to stop living in the past guys.

What did you expect to happen?
Are you concerned over the Brexit Irish problem
Are you concerned over the lack of new trade deals?
Are you concerned how trade with the EU is evaporating.
Are you concerned that our border controls are broken
Are you concerned over the UK economy being so short of labour previously provided by Europeans
Are you concerned that the cost of and routes to Kibris are now negatively impacted
Are you concerned over the hard line being taken by our European customer base.
Just a snippet of course. I leave you to watch the lead video to enlighten you upon the immigration theme.

These things may not affect you directly but certainly you should ask yourself.
What did I vote for if I see no real change? Particularly as so many are indeed directly and negatively impacted.

I would be interested to know how you have come to the conclusion that I voted "Leave", or do just make assumptions about people who don't see your point of view?

You didn't answer my question?

[waz-24-7]

Kanonier,
I made an assumption upon your Brexit vote.
If I’m wrong then do correct me.
If you assume I voted remain then you are correct.
Little importance don’t you think

[waz-24-7]

Waz,

Let’s say we were offered a deal to rejoin the EU. Exciting eh???

I doubt we would be offered a deal on the same conditions as we left so where are your red lines or indeed do you have any?

We have to join the Euro?

We have to accept that there will be an EU army & its deployment, whether conscription would be introduced etc will be decided by the EU?

Country’s vetos would be a thing of the past

We would have to accept that Britain & all countries would cease to be independent nations and fully integrate into a United Nations of Europe within 10 years?

Let’s just imagine the EU was totally transparent with these aims?

Any of those a red line for you?
Be honest if you can

I agree that it’s unlikely the EU will offer a rejoin deal. It’s the UK that left
Understandably there is now a rift between us,
Very unfortunate in my view and the UK is the bigger loser.

The future of Europe as a United force was weakened when the UK split away.
After 2 deadly wars in Europe in the 20th Century . Peace has prevailed and been enjoyed past 40 yrs.
The Europe I see most recently is once again heading towards war.
Europe including the UK are piling weapons eastwards as the Russians capitalise on a weaker and divided Union. Certainly he didn’t expect the UK to take its highly expensive high profile Ukraine support position.


If eventually the British people vote for a political party that takes us back in. I have no idea upon the terms. I’m not inclined to consider that until I see a real prospect.

Certainly the momentum is that the majority now feel the divorce was an error
That’s a good foundation to build on.
I’ll follow Mr Posh’s line
Let’s give it time

Upon joining the Euro. As currency and exchanges evolve towards cashless it doesn’t really matter. Crypto and digital money is here.
GBP is of less importance than €$¥.
It’s destined to die sooner than latter.
Upon a European army. Co operation militarily are nothing new.
Look at the Cyprus green line.
The UK as a stand alone fighting force is a lost cause
We just don’t have the resources or wealth.
The wealthy and new world powers can and are gearing up for peace or ??

The new empires of China and USA are the players to watch.
Europe remains extremely important as the consumer of goods and services like no other.
The UK is struggling now without trade deals with any of them !!

[EnjoyingTheSun]

So Waz to confirm,

That’s yes to the Euro and a yes to an EU army

You seemed to forget these 2 questions?

Country’s vetos would be a thing of the past

We would have to accept that Britain & all countries would cease to be independent nations and fully integrate into a United Nations of Europe within 10 years?

It might be easier to ask are there any circumstances whatsoever that would not have you want to join the EU?
The ending of elections?
Martial law?
I realise your business is all in re the EU so there are no red lines are there?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Putins generals identified an EU and UK in shock following the surprise Brexit result. Without doubt Putin was advised to go now whilst advantage is present. A weaker and vulnerable union.
China expansion in South China Sea and around Taiwan carries similarities based on covid turmoil

This is the ravings of a lunatic.
You are aware that the EU and NATO are two separate organisations?
Do you know what NATO is?

[waz-24-7]

So Waz to confirm,

That’s yes to the Euro and a yes to an EU army

You seemed to forget these 2 questions?

Country’s vetos would be a thing of the past

We would have to accept that Britain & all countries would cease to be independent nations and fully integrate into a United Nations of Europe within 10 years?

It might be easier to ask are there any circumstances whatsoever that would not have you want to join the EU?
The ending of elections?
Martial law?
I realise your business is all in re the EU so there are no red lines are there?

ETS
The question upon Euro and Euro army is and was for me in 2016 no.
And certainly no to any loss of sovereignty whilst we are on it.
I do however acknowledge why discussions may take place on the 2 matters. Do you understand?
ETS you should look forwards and realise the changing world we are experiencing.
Are you possibly ex military ?
My Business is now not so focused on trade with the EU.
I have become less competitive than EU suppliers .
That is what it is and my sails take me on a different tack as the wind changes. Thank you.

It’s not essentially about rejoining the EU. The UK cannot diverge from being European. By that. We need to be in a single market economy, co operations upon security , science, environment, exploration into space, technological Co operations in communications and the digital world.
How we achieve this is administrative only. Previously we ticked the boxes by being a member state of the EU.
It cost, yes, but the benefits and prospects to
Improve we’re there for us. In 2016 it was looking positive. £ strong, economic growth and trading well.
Please don’t bring up covid!!
Now we are simply onlookers outside the room and still needing to follow EU rules on trade and business . Not good in the progressive and competitive world.

You take an extremely negative view of EU relations and certainly present no plausible plan for the future bar possibly war. You do live in Europe..because you enjoy its sunshine.

I guess you see the UK as the British empire again ruling the oceans ,skies and lands with galleons, spitfires and tommy guns.
NATO is certainly an important military group.
It is expanding and is becoming essentially an American led signal of Western power against China and Russia
Europe is part of NATO but it does not represent Europe alone. That is concerning. Furthermore it is most certainly not a trading group and provides no financial benefit bar the massive £ cost.
Perhaps we should leave. Get the red bus out again!!

Please what do you see coming. Please do offer up how you see even the next 10 yrs outside of Europe . Again I’m all ears because I’m yet to read anything of positivity bar a JCB success post from another.

[Kanonier]

Kanonier,
I made an assumption upon your Brexit vote.
If I’m wrong then do correct me.
If you assume I voted remain then you are correct.
Little importance don’t you think

I never make assumptions about people I have never met.

[PoshinDevon]

Okay
Posh
I have explained my position upon the 3 and 7 yrs Brexit cycle.
Markets reacted immediately post referendum result and certainly did not wait for 3.5 yrs to send the signals that are now abundantly clear. You a clearly out of touch on markets and how quick investors react to good and bad news.

3yrs to unravel! Should we have asked global markets to hold fire on trade and investment whilst we get to grips with what we have done!! Quite laughable.
Indeed the uK is still not ready. We are forced to accept EU regulations upon food standards, fishing, CE marking.
Why? We just don’t have anything in place.
To trade with the EU they set the market, set standards and make the choices that matter. Much of the world follows and supports the golden CE mark.
There is just do much loss and absolutely no gain or prospect of improvement

Yes
Covid influenced global markets as well as world order. However and certainly the bounce back for most has been swift, focused and successful.
The UK remains in Brexit doldrums trying to sort the Brexit Irish issue and the influx of all those immigrants.
Positivity is rarer than rocking horse poo with no plan , strategy that can be sold to me at least.

As I have indicated. Putin and others have capitalised on on world disorder from covid. Putins generals identified an EU and UK in shock following the surprise Brexit result. Without doubt Putin was advised to go now whilst advantage is present. A weaker and vulnerable union.
China expansion in South China Sea and around Taiwan carries similarities based on covid turmoil

Yes
I agree nothing great in past 3 yrs…your time scale not mine.
What are you expecting to emerge ?
In say 20 or even 40 yrs
How will we compete with the EU ?
Will the UK attempt to replace the very highly successful science horizon co operation. Impossible I think.
Can we afford to expand defence to a level matching the great powers? Absolutely not
We can’t even balance the books now.
Why is It 68% now favour being European.

Back to you
I wonder your answers.
I’m again all ears.

Yavas yavas…. Slowly slowly you are answering the questions. However; you should try not to write “war and peace” into each answer as it’s just a repeat from over the last few years.

My “simplistic” view is; we left the EU 3 years ago after a democratic referendum in 2016. Like a divorce parting would never be easy. Both sides were going to fight there position. Global events haven’t helped. It takes two parties to agree and as we all know the EU is never swift on agreeing anything. I am more sure that rejoining the EU on completely new terms is not the answer. If such terms were presented to the British people it would be interesting to see what the opinion polls would show.

Putin, his generals and Brexit giving him the green light to invade the Ukraine? Really. Thank goodness the U.K. swiftly made its position clear and supported the Ukraine whilst most of Europe stood idly by.

[Nc2016]

Agreed Posh. I hardly think Brexit figured in Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine.

[Nc2016]

Waz - as for your comment re. the Green Line, you might want to look at the list of countries which belong to the United Nations.

[waz-24-7]

Okay
Posh
I have explained my position upon the 3 and 7 yrs Brexit cycle.
Markets reacted immediately post referendum result and certainly did not wait for 3.5 yrs to send the signals that are now abundantly clear. You a clearly out of touch on markets and how quick investors react to good and bad news.

3yrs to unravel! Should we have asked global markets to hold fire on trade and investment whilst we get to grips with what we have done!! Quite laughable.
Indeed the uK is still not ready. We are forced to accept EU regulations upon food standards, fishing, CE marking.
Why? We just don’t have anything in place.
To trade with the EU they set the market, set standards and make the choices that matter. Much of the world follows and supports the golden CE mark.
There is just do much loss and absolutely no gain or prospect of improvement

Yes
Covid influenced global markets as well as world order. However and certainly the bounce back for most has been swift, focused and successful.
The UK remains in Brexit doldrums trying to sort the Brexit Irish issue and the influx of all those immigrants.
Positivity is rarer than rocking horse poo with no plan , strategy that can be sold to me at least.

As I have indicated. Putin and others have capitalised on on world disorder from covid. Putins generals identified an EU and UK in shock following the surprise Brexit result. Without doubt Putin was advised to go now whilst advantage is present. A weaker and vulnerable union.
China expansion in South China Sea and around Taiwan carries similarities based on covid turmoil

Yes
I agree nothing great in past 3 yrs…your time scale not mine.
What are you expecting to emerge ?
In say 20 or even 40 yrs
How will we compete with the EU ?
Will the UK attempt to replace the very highly successful science horizon co operation. Impossible I think.
Can we afford to expand defence to a level matching the great powers? Absolutely not
We can’t even balance the books now.
Why is It 68% now favour being European.

Back to you
I wonder your answers.
I’m again all ears.

Yavas yavas…. Slowly slowly you are answering the questions. However; you should try not to write “war and peace” into each answer as it’s just a repeat from over the last few years.

My “simplistic” view is; we left the EU 3 years ago after a democratic referendum in 2016. Like a divorce parting would never be easy. Both sides were going to fight there position. Global events haven’t helped. It takes two parties to agree and as we all know the EU is never swift on agreeing anything. I am more sure that rejoining the EU on completely new terms is not the answer. If such terms were presented to the British people it would be interesting to see what the opinion polls would show.

Putin, his generals and Brexit giving him the green light to invade the Ukraine? Really. Thank goodness the U.K. swiftly made its position clear and supported the Ukraine whilst most of Europe stood idly by.

Posh the polls already show a change of heart. 68% is now in majority.
See opening link.

It’s too late for a simple re join. Let’s move away from Brexit terminology, votes and referendums.

Any re entry to the single market economy will in my opinion be driven by government wishing to gain or retain power. It will cost of course but at what cost?

Of course Mr Putin did not move based solely on a UK referendum vote.
Russia moved on a weakened Europe and on a world looking elsewhere to overcome a pandemic.
Your ex services I think, you should be therefore aware of strategic military decisions based on timing and advantage .

Will you get round to telling me what we might expect or have indee gained in past 3 yrs and within the next day 10 yrs or will we still be hoping and waiting for the world to come to us with charity.

[waz-24-7]

Waz - as for your comment re. the Green Line, you might want to look at the list of countries which belong to the United Nations.

And your point is ?
The inference is military co operation.

[waz-24-7]

Agreed Posh. I hardly think Brexit figured in Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine.

Indeed
It’s the fact that the EU and the UK were and still are somewhat occupied with sorting out deals, sparing over the Irish issue, etc
Europe was in a rather divided position. Other members were grumbling about a departure too.
All mounts to a union in disarray
Fortunately things have calmed somewhat and the current EU is re grouping and gaining momentum on the global stage.

[Kanonier]

Okay
Posh

Your ex services I think, you should be therefore aware of strategic military decisions based on timing and advantage .

Will you get round to telling me what we might expect or have indee gained in past 3 yrs and within the next day 10 yrs or will we still be hoping and waiting for the world to come to us with charity.

You are still making assumptions!

[EnjoyingTheSun]

The question upon Euro and Euro army is and was for me in 2016 no.
And certainly no to any loss of sovereignty whilst we are on it.
I do however acknowledge why discussions may take place on the 2 matters. Do you understand?
ETS you should look forwards and realise the changing world we are experiencing.
Are you possibly ex military ?

So let me just clarify as we’ve had some mixed messages from you on this.
Britain joining the Euro as a condition of rejoining the EU is a red line?
Ditto our forces being seconded into an EU army?
A red line?

When I say a red line I mean if either of these would happen you would wish to leave the EU?

So if we rejoin and we are sneakily made to take the Euro by our politicians without a referendum you would agree this is undemocratic and wish to leave the EU?

As for me being ex military I have to applaud that antennae of yours, it’s 100%.
No I wasn’t even a Boy Scout.
My Dad did a couple of years national service if that’s near enough?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Posh the polls already show a change of heart. 68% is now in majority.

I’ll ask again;

You agree Starmer is pro EU?

You acknowledge that he has access to opinion polls far more sophisticated than those you receive through EU Is Wonderful weekly?

Why hasn’t he mentioned having another referendum if Labour wins power if it’s such a vote winner and aligns with his own wishes?

Unless of course his plan is to simply have us rejoin the EU without another referendum?

Let’s say he did do that, you will obviously condemn it as obviously that would be undemocratic? I know how important democracy is to you
Just to be clear can I hear you condemn it as undemocratic if we were to rejoin the EU without another referendum?

Obviously as people are allowed to change their minds you will of course be in favour of there being regular referendums on membership of the EU? Every 5 years? Or every year if we vote to leave and every 50 years if we vote to remain?

[Brazen]

What has done the most damage to the UK economy,

1. Brexit or the enforced shutdown of the economy?
2. Brexit or the Ukrainian war?
3. Brexit or the rush towards net zero?
4. Brexit or government incompetent?
5. Brexit or the remainer cabal that spiked the guns of the negotiators?

[waz-24-7]

What has done the most damage to the UK economy,

1. Brexit or the enforced shutdown of the economy?
2. Brexit or the Ukrainian war?
3. Brexit or the rush towards net zero?
4. Brexit or government incompetent?
5. Brexit or the remainer cabal that spiked the guns of the negotiators?

I think damage is the key word.
Brexit appears in all 5
I agree upon the Brexit damages in first 4

[waz-24-7]

Posh the polls already show a change of heart. 68% is now in majority.

I’ll ask again;

You agree Starmer is pro EU?

You acknowledge that he has access to opinion polls far more sophisticated than those you receive through EU Is Wonderful weekly?

Why hasn’t he mentioned having another referendum if Labour wins power if it’s such a vote winner and aligns with his own wishes?

Unless of course his plan is to simply have us rejoin the EU without another referendum?

Let’s say he did do that, you will obviously condemn it as obviously that would be undemocratic? I know how important democracy is to you
Just to be clear can I hear you condemn it as undemocratic if we were to rejoin the EU without another referendum?

Obviously as people are allowed to change their minds you will of course be in favour of there being regular referendums on membership of the EU? Every 5 years? Or every year if we vote to leave and every 50 years if we vote to remain?

I don’t know Mr Starmer’s real
Position. Right now I’m not overly interested.

I don’t think they’ll be another referendum. Your suggestion is not useful going forwards.
I do think politics will, somehow return the UK to the single market economy. It may be dressed up as something else. Not overly bothered what as long as we go that way.
Many will be unwittingly hoodwinked once again, lose interest and move on.
Politics has a way like that. The pied piper analogy is unfortunately so often the trick that works.
Just look at how Mr Farage got his way.

[Brazen]

What has done the most damage to the UK economy,

1. Brexit or the enforced shutdown of the economy?
2. Brexit or the Ukrainian war?
3. Brexit or the rush towards net zero?
4. Brexit or government incompetent?
5. Brexit or the remainer cabal that spiked the guns of the negotiators?

How about,
1. Brexit or the shutdown, Ukrainians war, the rush to net zero and government’s incompetence? J

[Brazen]

What has done the most damage to the UK economy,

1. Brexit or the enforced shutdown of the economy?
2. Brexit or the Ukrainian war?
3. Brexit or the rush towards net zero?
4. Brexit or government incompetent?
5. Brexit or the remainer cabal that spiked the guns of the negotiators?

I think damage is the key word.
Brexit appears in all 5
I agree upon the Brexit damages in first 4

The lockdown is said to have cost £6000 per head. Please give us links to articles showing what Brexit has cost.

[waz-24-7]

What has done the most damage to the UK economy,

1. Brexit or the enforced shutdown of the economy?
2. Brexit or the Ukrainian war?
3. Brexit or the rush towards net zero?
4. Brexit or government incompetent?
5. Brexit or the remainer cabal that spiked the guns of the negotiators?

I think damage is the key word.
Brexit appears in all 5
I agree upon the Brexit damages in first 4

The lockdown is said to have cost £6000 per head. Please give us links to articles showing what Brexit has cost.

OMG
How would I possibly know the finite or even estimated costs. Lockdown costs possibly include the huge amount of wasted money on useless PPE. I can’t really comment bar it cost massively and not only in £ terms.

Upon costs from leaving the EU. Monetary loss is of two sorts. Decline in trade with the EU and with EU trading partners. Decline in inward investment by overseas business seeking opportunities within the UK.
Other losses cannot be ignored:
Security: the loss of exchange of information and intelligence within security services. The loss of a unified union of countries that has given Europe an unprecedented period of peace and security.
The loss of significant freedoms for UK citizens to travel, work and live in any of 28 European countries.
I’m not inclined to offer up www. links to the above but of course you may disagree or indeed offer up your own links that relay otherwise
You or another may like to present a list of wins for comparative purposes.

[Brazen]

I think damage is the key word.
Brexit appears in all 5
I agree upon the Brexit damages in first 4

The lockdown is said to have cost £6000 per head. Please give us links to articles showing what Brexit has cost.

OMG
How would I possibly know the finite or even estimated costs. Lockdown costs possibly include the huge amount of wasted money on useless PPE. I can’t really comment bar it cost massively and not only in £ terms.

Upon costs from leaving the EU. Monetary loss is of two sorts. Decline in trade with the EU and with EU trading partners. Decline in inward investment by overseas business seeking opportunities within the UK.
Other losses cannot be ignored:
Security: the loss of exchange of information and intelligence within security services. The loss of a unified union of countries that has given Europe an unprecedented period of peace and security.
The loss of significant freedoms for UK citizens to travel, work and live in any of 28 European countries.
I’m not inclined to offer up www. links to the above but of course you may disagree or indeed offer up your own links that relay otherwise
You or another may like to present a list of wins for comparative purposes.

A large proportion of your losses are what some of us call gains!

[PoshinDevon]

The bottom line is that if the U.K. were to rejoin the EU it would be under a different set of agreed rules and criteria.

At present none of us have any idea what these will be, although we can make educated guesses. If and when presented to the U.K. people let’s then see what any polls at the time may have to say.

We voted leave after 47 years, not convinced there would be a rush to vote to return under any new rules.

It may be “simplistic” but I am not going to let Brexit be all consuming; like it is for you, there are far more interesting things to be getting on with.

[TRNCMaths]

3. Brexit or the rush towards net zero?

I appreciate you're not really wanting the results of this survey to be taken seriously, but thank you for posting it ... because my year 8 student is currently studying how to create a reliable survey.

So, excuse me, I have a message for my student: As we discussed the other day, we really need to avoid leading questions, and of course "the rush towards net zero" is a phrase that is likely to distort the survey data towards the viewpoint of the poster.

Thanks again Brazen.

[waz-24-7]

The bottom line is that if the U.K. were to rejoin the EU it would be under a different set of agreed rules and criteria.

At present none of us have any idea what these will be, although we can make educated guesses. If and when presented to the U.K. people let’s then see what any polls at the time may have to say.

We voted leave after 47 years, not convinced there would be a rush to vote to return under any new rules.

It may be “simplistic” but I am not going to let Brexit be all consuming; like it is for you, there are far more interesting things to be getting on with.

Posh I think you’ve missed the point.
I do not think a rejoin will be put to a new referendum.
I think that there is a strong possibility than a UK political administration will manipulate under a political mandate a re entry to the single market economy. Re introduction of scientific and security co operations plus other EU protocols. I hesitate what the cost will be but given the latest poll data as had been publicised. The possibility is there if only to gain votes and power.

No Brexit is not all consuming how you make that judgment is bewildering. Politics and business is certainly of interest to me and I enjoy a debate.
If you knew me at all you would know how involved I am in numerous circles of activity in Kibris and indeed the UK.

You will note that I now avoid the term Brexit or the 1970,s term common market
Both these events are now historical and the future in my opinion still lies with a re convergence with Europe
The topic header reflects that hope and opinion.
I think that you have little idea upon where the UK should go bar a slip happy willingness to go with the flow. After all you clearly express very little interest.
That is your prerogative and I guess your future government election vote may be an interesting decision for you.

[PoshinDevon]

Was - I have plenty of interest in politics. I also enjoy good debate.

However; we are not rejoining the EU anytime soon with or without a referendum. FWIW any government trying to put in place the EU way of working without considering the UK people will be subject to a robust backlash.

IMO you are consumed by your desire to rejoin, converge or somehow re instal the EU rules and regulations to your benefit. Until that happens you will continue to post war and peace and return to resurrect the topic as often as you can.

I have moved on, will watch developments with interest but without great concern or worry.

[waz-24-7]

Was - I have plenty of interest in politics. I also enjoy good debate.

However; we are not rejoining the EU anytime soon with or without a referendum. FWIW any government trying to put in place the EU way of working without considering the UK people will be subject to a robust backlash.

IMO you are consumed by your desire to rejoin, converge or somehow re instal the EU rules and regulations to your benefit. Until that happens you will continue to post war and peace and return to resurrect the topic as often as you can.

I have moved on, will watch developments with interest but without great concern or worry.

Likewise…it is apparently clear from your statement.
“We are not rejoining the EU anytime soon “
That you indeed are consumed by a dislike of the EU.
You have never, tho often been given opportunity and request, to offer up any positives following your decision and vote to leave the EU. I on the other hand have provided just a few examples of negatives in support of the new majority of people that admit a mistake was made.

I think . As is the case for many. Your Pride overshadows your willingness to admit error or indeed to admit you were hoodwinked and you simply lapped up the propaganda peddled by now absent has berms.

I have expressed my take on what I think could happen politically in coming years given the shift in opinion upon EU ties.
Your opinion I assume is that all is done.
You are however, according to latest polls and data now in the minority.
Where does that leave you?

[Brazen]

3. Brexit or the rush towards net zero?

I appreciate you're not really wanting the results of this survey to be taken seriously, but thank you for posting it ... because my year 8 student is currently studying how to create a reliable survey.

So, excuse me, I have a message for my student: As we discussed the other day, we really need to avoid leading questions, and of course "the rush towards net zero" is a phrase that is likely to distort the survey data towards the viewpoint of the poster.

Thanks again Brazen.

“The Commons Library report contrasts three estimates: £5,492 per person in the UK on the NAO reckoning: £4,631 from the OBR: and for the IMF, it's £6,067 per head.”

[PoshinDevon]

Waz

First of all you have no idea how I voted. Did I indeed vote? I listened to the arguments from all sides. Do I believe in democracy and the outcome - of course I do. Do I think the UK was benefitting of its membership of the EU - no I did not. Lapped up the propaganda, not a chance. If I had then I would have believed project fear put out by the Remain campaign from 2016. I am confident the UK has not made an error in leaving and time will prove this. Three years really isn’t a long time and as you have acknowledged in a roundabout way, there have been a couple of world events which have affected the economies of all European countries.

Nowhere have I even suggested it is all done and dusted, that’s obvious from my posts……..you just like to assume things, often wrongly. As for polls let’s take a look when the new rules for joining or converging or whatever, which you are convinced will happen, are known. Will the UK people want to return. I think not. As others have posted, do we want the euro, do we want to be tied to a European army, do we want the eu courts to have the final, do we want to pay in trillions to a big pot plus so much more.

So continue to be consumed, continue to write your musings whilst trying to work out how to travel to/from the TRNC now that you are persona non gratis in the ROC. I will just leave you to it.

[kerry 6138]

BBC March 9
BMW is preparing to invest up to £600m in its Mini plant at Cowley, near Oxford, the BBC understands.
The money is expected to be used to prepare the plant for a future building electric models.

Rishi Sunak recently pushed for the UK to deliver the world’s first ‘mini’ nuclear power plant. In addition, Finland and Sweden have expressed interest in the deployment of Rolls-Royce’s SMRs. So too has Ukraine as the country looks forward to a post-war recovery effort.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I don’t think they’ll be another referendum. Your suggestion is not useful going forwards.
I do think politics will, somehow return the UK to the single market economy. It may be dressed up as something else. Not overly bothered what as long as we go that way.

So no referendum but fingers crossed we will somehow be Shanghaied back into the EU by the back door without any consent from the British people.
I can see the appeal of the EU to you given you have little real interest in democracy do you?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I don’t know Mr Starmer’s real
Position. Right now I’m not overly interested.

Ok even though you are someone who is obsessive on this subject I’ll have to believe you don’t know that the leader of the opposition & probably next Prime Minister is pro EU.
Well he is.
So back to the question you are trying to avoid.
Why doesn’t he jump on this obvious vote winner & say if he wins the next election he will either hold another referendum or take Britain back into the EU?
Assuming this poll you are salivating over is correct, it’s a no brainier.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

What has done the most damage to the UK economy,

1. Brexit or the enforced shutdown of the economy?
2. Brexit or the Ukrainian war?
3. Brexit or the rush towards net zero?
4. Brexit or government incompetent?
5. Brexit or the remainer cabal that spiked the guns of the negotiators?

I think damage is the key word.
Brexit appears in all 5
I agree upon the Brexit damages in first 4

Brazen, forget it. He just read Brexit & switched off & prepared his next monologue as normal.
Maybe we can set up a go fund me page to help him set up a new business and move on from having the British EU flag concession

[waz-24-7]

Posh
No I don’t know for certain which way you voted.
Come on please. Are you embarrassed. You are so anti EU it’s abundantly clear. please, please do tell us.
Hardly a debatable point of interest don’t you think?
ETS … captain cliche.
You too are clearly extremely anti European.

Yes I voted to remain part of the EU because of the benefits that you both cannot , or chose not to see.
The losses and difficulties become more clear with time.
Many of these were predicted and warned of but ignored by the then majority.

ETS I hope Mr Starmer does not get into power regardless. I do not believe there will be another referendum. At the moment it does not bother me.
I have indicated what I think may pan out.

Kerry, thank you for some more snippets of good news.
I wish it was that simple.
BMW are indeed investing. However battery supply comes from the EU and production of the mini is already in Netherlands too.

Like Posh. I will give the matter time. It is most definitely not over. Politics and commerce is like that.
I leave this topic in the hope that Peace in Europe will come to us again soon and that a Union of European countries can once again provide all with not just peace but also prosperity and co operation.

[kerry 6138]

Six firms to build gigafactories for car batteries as the UK seeks to put its motor industry at the forefront of the electric revolution
Ford and Nissan and tech groups LG and Samsung are four of the companies
Start-ups Britishvolt and InoBat Auto are other firms in talks for gigafactories
UK's first site in Blyth, Northumberland, is due to be operational by 2023.

[Kanonier]

As I previously said "Clickbait". Some people don't have much to do to fill their days.

[waz-24-7]

Six firms to build gigafactories for car batteries as the UK seeks to put its motor industry at the forefront of the electric revolution
Ford and Nissan and tech groups LG and Samsung are four of the companies
Start-ups Britishvolt and InoBat Auto are other firms in talks for gigafactories
UK's first site in Blyth, Northumberland, is due to be operational by 2023.

Thankyou Kerry
There are approximately 14 giga battery factories up and producing in Europe
The UK Blythe factory project failed and seeks foreign investment for rescue plan. The site is empty !
The UK has almost zero battery production and is just too far behind the rest of the world.
Not directly Brexit but investors are not lining up to pump money into UK
Li batteries are almost all now from Germany
The threat to UK car production is now extremely high in my view .
The electric revolution started some 10 yrs back and the UK has lost out massively.
As I said this is not only due to being outside the single market tho getting product to market is a major consideration for any business.
UK product route to markets in the EU is now more difficult, more expensive and generally trade is destined to suffer on going.
Both ways off course.

[Mowgli597]

What impact has Brexit had on the UK economy?

[waz-24-7]

What impact has Brexit had on the UK economy?

Thanks
Couldn’t have written it better myself
All the points I have made and emphasised appear in this report. Supported by real data
Excellent.

[waz-24-7]

[quote=Mowgli597 post_id=296516 time=<a href="tel:1681890244">1681890244</a> user_id=16074]
What impact has Brexit had on the UK economy?

Thank you..
I’m not a google searcher in these matters

Couldn’t have written it better myself

All the points I have made and emphasised appear in this report. Supported by real data
Excellent.
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What impact has Brexit had on the UK economy?

[kerry 6138]

The UK and Switzerland have today signed a major agreement deepening the relationship between the 2 countries’ world-leading research and innovation communities.
Switzerland - placed top of the global rankings for innovation for the past 10 consecutive years, as well as being home to 2 of Europe’s top 10 universities, a number of world class research laboratories and companies such as Roche and Novartis, and commercial space and satellite technology companies - is a natural partner for the UK.
Together the 2 nations have 10 of Europe’s top 20 research Universities
The UK, with 7 universities in Europe’s top 10, and a larger share of its own research among the world’s most highly-cited than any other G7 country,

[kerry 6138]

JCB’S £100 million investment in a project to produce super-efficient hydrogen engines is going full steam ahead – with the reaching of a major production milestone.

A team of 100 engineers has been working on the exciting development for more than a year and the 50th JCB hydrogen combustion engine has now come off the production line as part of the development process.