Business v greed

[EnjoyingTheSun]

https://www.kktcarabam.com/kategori/jet-ski

As suggested zero business acumen stick to snap and card games

£32 k in trnc for 2024 jet ski..

300 hours for a rental would be more applicable..

Wont matter to ets he will just ignore that and move onto another subject to argue about...

Do you know the potential house edge on snap then, because you sure as sh1t didn’t know it on roulette although you tried to bluff it until you realised you were going down in flames & started back with the insults.

It reminds me of the million pound flats I see advertised They never get sold at that but…..
Interesting that they have 2014 jet skis for sale at a much cheaper price. I assume they never use them or just half an hour a week as their life cycle will be done after 11 years?

How do you know 300 hours is more applicable, you only just googled the 300-500 hours?

Also I’d suggest what passes for a perfectly maintained jet ski in the U.K. and what passes for a perfectly maintained jet ski in TRNC are like night & day.

So getting back to the crux basically you are saying that €60 for 10 minutes is good pricing?
Your business acumen tells you not selling much is the way forward?
I guess if you have an empty restaurant you do use less utilities, need less staff?

At the end of the day if you can’t make a profit by selling at a price people will pay in numbers to keep you profitable then you are in the wrong business.
If you are charging prices that people won’t pay then you are already dead you just haven’t had the funeral.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

As suggested zero business acumen stick to snap and card games

And what business are you in Mr Sugar?

[benjaminbutton]

The only locals I know well enough to talk about this subject tell me that in their opinion 80% plus of cafes and restaurants here bear no resemblances to Turkish food at all. I say hold the rice and the bloody chips and what have you . This year I visited Antalya and further inland. and neither cafes or our glorious hotel in the Old City, served one single meal with chips and rice. What is served here is, I maintain, NOT Turkish at all.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

The only locals I know well enough to talk about this subject tell me that in their opinion 80% plus of cafes and restaurants here bear no resemblances to Turkish food at all. I say hold the rice and the bloody chips and what have you . This year I visited Antalya and further inland. and neither cafes or our glorious hotel in the Old City, served one single meal with chips and rice. What is served here is, I maintain, NOT Turkish at all.

I’m not shocked. I would love the restaurants out here to offer authentic Turkish cuisine.
I’m sure it is a very interesting varied cuisine and it would give us some variety.
Maybe tell them to try Ezics I hear they are very authentic, the chicken teriyaki is notable

[Reyntj]

Im saying you think you know more than every business owner and you have never owned one..

You where a manager in most casino in london i can only guess why you had to move job a lot..perhaps you kept telling the actual owners what they where doing wrong as you knew best...ring a bell...

At no point did i offer how to run a restaurant and as normal you jump from one endless argument to the next...

You just spout endless.nonsense 2014 (11 year old jet ski) at a cheaper price...whats your point...its called depreciation...endless nonsense arguments from.one subject to the next...most vehicles half in value over 10 years...

Why not try playing solotaire or something..

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Im saying you think you know more than every business owner and you have never owned one..

At no point did i offer how to run a restaurant and as normal you jump from one endless argument to the next...

As I said common sense & basic economics go a long way.
If you check back you started the argument & insults but as always when I respond you turn cry bully.
You are still coy about your business I notice.
I think you should go into the restaurant business.
You know authentic Turkish cuisine such as teriyaki, spaghetti bolognaise, risotto balls etc
Plus knowing to price it so no-one ever buys it & thus saving you the expense of restocking, staff etc

[EnjoyingTheSun]

You just spout endless.nonsense 2014 (11 year old jet ski) at a cheaper price...whats your point...its called depreciation...endless nonsense arguments from.one subject to the next...most vehicles half in value over 10 years...

Let’s see, after having a quick google & coming up with your 300 to 500 hours figure you then hastily found a website with jet skis on. Some of them are priced at £1 or 1TL so we can immediately tell it’s totally accurate.
I ignored the 1TL prices as it is probably as accurate as the £32,000 prices.
I then point out that they are selling 2014 jet skis which if we go with your hastily googled 300-500 hours must be totally knackered if they have had anything other than minimal use.
I’m not changing the subject I’m responding to your points, but nice try

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Im saying you think you know more than

You where a manager in most casino in london i can only guess why you had to move job a lot..perhaps you kept telling the actual owners what they where doing wrong as you knew best...ring a bell...

You like googling, google head hunted.
Do you keep adding to your posts so as to hope I miss something & don’t respond to it?
Again for the 4th time I believe, what business do you own Mr Sugar?
I think I already and I do understand your reticence to answer

[Reyntj]

I worked in a cafe from 13 to 18 then at university studying chemistry i washed dishes friday saturday .when i finished studying they wanted me to stay as a trainee chef...i knew it was too hard and not that well paid...this is my only hands on restaurant know how and it was 35 years ago...i know how difficult running a food business is ..my wifes family uncles etc.many live in london & uk now mostly own restaurants cafes.
They live and breathe it .sit round every day talking about napkins the price of fish ..its in their dna...turkish know how to run restaurants.the same turkish run the restaurants here..then the likes of ets who has never owned a business in his life starts telling them to use more imagination and add a potato ...

Im not the one giving business advice but i did have a career in finance in the city and was self employed business owner since 32. I semi retired here at 42 and now own a property portfolio. In no way would i feel eligible to give restaurant owners advice where they are apparently going wrong..others with less experience seem to think they are qualified. My business experience is not really relevant as im not claiming to be alan sugar like you and telling everyone how to run a business but at least ive owned several business and have walked the walk...

[EnjoyingTheSun]

now own a property portfolio

I’ve won my £50 bet with myself

Btw I did oversee restaurants in the casino & my son is a chef of 20 years experience so it isn’t just as a customer.
As for your add a potato comment.
The restaurants out here were never overly exciting but they were cheap & generous.
As the price of meat goes up & you serve smaller cuts of meat it doesn’t strike me as that revolutionary to bump up the cheaper ingredients in a dish to at least give the customer the feeling of being well fed even if his steak is now 2 ounces less than it was.
If you can’t see that thinking then I give up

[Reyntj]

doesnt surprise me you are having bets with your self i can envisage you having an argument with your self in a phone box...it would go on forever ....

Strange comment about being a landlord...when i came to trnc having owned business before i investigated many avenues to maintain a sustainable income for life.

I came to.the conclusion that it simply was too difficult. Passive income from property has been my best investment and i have been a labdlord since i was 22...

Theres clearly some intended inult but im laughing to be honest...

[EnjoyingTheSun]

My business experience is not really relevant as im not claiming to be alan sugar like you and telling everyone how to run a business but at least ive owned several business and have walked the walk...

You were very interested in mine so I thought I’d confirm that you were in property
I’ve never owned I business, I satisfied myself with being very well paid to help multi millionaires run theirs.
I’m not saying I’m an expert but businesses are failing left right and centre out here so they aren’t all experts.
It isn’t that hard to make money when business is booming, good business people make money when it isn’t booming or the parameters have changed. They respond to changes.
Restaurants that have to pay rent are going to struggle, I’m not convinced they can survive unless they have a realistic landlord.
That said what harm is there in trying something different? Thinking outside the box? Or you can carry on having a slow death.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

[EnjoyingTheSun]

doesnt surprise me you are having bets with your self i can envisage you having an argument with your self in a phone box...it would go on forever ....

Again you started arguing with me. I think your definition of someone being argumentative is someone who doesn’t 100% agree with you.
How’s the property business going? Booming as usual I expect? Billionaires flooding onto the island?

[Reyntj]

Yes all homes let thanks and all rents higher than ever. Couldnt he happier..every time a tenant leaves we fill it immediately and at a higher rent...

Billionaires not.much use to me they tend to buy...students & workers brilliant payers..

The mistakes people make are opening the business in the first place. I met a london turk about 8 years ago round a pool and we got chatting. He said he moved over here with 10 mates who all came over from london and they where all millionaires had sold various london business cafes car lots dry cleaners..

They all came over and lost their.money opening business gyms restaurants etc..he was the last.man standing...he had built a commercial and 3 flats its rented to a well known restaurany for the last ten years...

Where they all millionaires...well you know how the tcs can speak..but this is a true story ....business is.incredibly difficult here ...

[EnjoyingTheSun]

my wifes family uncles etc.many live in london & uk now mostly own restaurants cafes.
They live and breathe it .sit round every day talking about napkins the price of fish ..its in their dna...turkish know how to run restaurants.the same turkish run the restaurants here..

When they looked to open up a restaurant did they find an area that already had 20 Turkish restaurants, most pretty dead, where at least a couple close every year & decide that’s a perfect spot to open. Also let’s make sure we do exactly the same menu?
Or did they think maybe that’s not a great spot or let’s try something different?

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Yes all homes let thanks and all rents higher than ever. Couldnt he happier..every time a tenant leaves we fill it imnediately and at a higher rent...

Billionaires not.much use to me they tend to buy...students & workers brilliant payers..

I’m sure, I’ve never met an estate agent yet who has told me the property market is tanking. Well unless you are selling of course

[Reyntj]

Not sure what estate agents has to do with anything? I think your confused? Do you know what a landlord is ?
Theres quite big difference..you seem to have not to good understanding...

Personally i try to avoid dealing with agents here. Many worked in a gym or shop last week and now are estate agents this week...

Whatever can end you wittering on really..

If i say all my homes are empty and rents have halved will you stop..?

[Reyntj]

Business is terrible all my homes are empty and rents have halved we are offering extra potatoes to tenants and my wife will cook them turkish rogan josh curry on saturday nights for new tenants..

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Not sure what estate agents has to do with anything? I think your confused? Do you know what a landlord is ?
Theres quite big difference..

So property prices have zero effect on rents? That’s very surprising but I bow to your greater knowledge

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Business is terrible all my homes are empty and rents have halved we are offering extra potatoes to tenants and my wife will cook them turkish rogan josh curry on saturday nights for new tenants..

zzzzz

[Reyntj]

Yes i most likely do know a lot more about property than you. I would certainly make that claim. Experience counts.
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There you are wittering on again one.minute your talking about estate agents which is nothing to do with me??? Then something about property prices....i never nentioned them ..thats what keyboard trolld do

Rents are high as ever thats a provable fact...& Your making one troll argument to the next...just to disagree..

Www.101evler.com compile facts on rental prices. A quick look at the graph shows rents are at all time highs by a significant amount. I dont need to look at this graph as this my full time business and know first hand. You ets think you know everything about everybody else business and i have no evidence from your posts to support that.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

The mistakes people make are opening the business in the first place. I met a london turk about 8 years ago round a pool and we got chatting. He said he moved over here with 10 mates who all came over from london and they where all millionaires had sold various london business cafes car lots dry cleaners..

They all came over and lost their.money opening business gyms restaurants etc..he was the last.man standing...he had built a commercial and 3 flats its rented to a well known restaurany for the last ten years...

Where they all millionaires...well you know how the tcs can speak..but this is a true story ....business is.incredibly difficult here ...

A bit unrelated but this is quite amusing I think.
When I was in London we had a customer who was worth a conservative £2 billion.
Anyhow he had his son who started at least 10 businesses that I know of that crashed and burned. No doubt bankrolled by his Dad because I’d imagine after 2 failures if a bank had ever backed him it wouldn’t now.

Anyhow on his 11th or it could be 20th attempt he finally had a success.
There was a big article in the paper that whilst his father was the billionaire ???? his son had started on his own and was a self made man.
The old adage about given enough time (and in this case money) a monkey could recreate the works of Shakespeare's came to mind

Bad businessmen can hit lucky & great businessmen can fail

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Yes i most likely do know a lot more about property than you. I would certainly make that claim. Experience counts.

There you are wittering on again one.minute your talking about estate agents which is nothing to do with me??? Then something about property prices....i never nentioned them ..

Rents aree high as ever thats a provable fact...& Your making one troll argument to the next...

So to be clear property prices have no effect on rents at all?
No-one doing buy to lets ever looks at return on investment?
None of them ever think that’s overpriced for the rent I could expect to receive, I’d do better putting that money in the bank?
Like I say I bow to your greater knowledge.

[Reyntj]

It has zero to do with anything i said you are just trying to create an endless argument .ie troll behaviour. I never mentioned property prices. Im not an estate agent.

I think your confused your actually having an argument with your self. Like i said you could. I dont even know why your responding to my posts as its not coherent. You are probably best respondiing to your own posts about estate agents and property prices and continuing this debate with yourself..you seem to have lost the plot...

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Www.101evler.com compile facts on rental prices. A quicj look at the graph shows rents are at all time highs by a significant amount. I dont need to look at this graph as this my full time business and know first hand. You ets think you know everything about everybody else business and i have no evidence from your posts to support that.

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[EnjoyingTheSun]

It has zero to do with anything i said you are just trying to create an endless argument .ie troll behaviour.

So you didn’t say that estate agents & the property market had nothing to do with rents? I think you might need to get editing pen out again.
This is the one you need to work on if it helps

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Duplicate

[Reyntj]

I know the owners at 101evler i will drop them an email and tell them about your dishonesty claims. Personally i think they just collate the live stats from their website.

Bit dangerous to start making libelous allegations about a trnc company but thats your call

[Reyntj]

Continue the argument with yourself i dont think you need me

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Yes I’m done. No doubt you’ll have an edit on a few of your posts for some gotcha lines that I apparently didn’t respond to on account I hadn’t seen them.
I would certainly have play around with your post about Ezics being so popular because of how authentic it is. Someone might have a look at the menu.
Maybe try and find a better link for jet skis to slip in as some were going for 1TL on the one you used.

[Reyntj]

I’m sure, I’ve never met an estate agent yet who has told me the property market is tanking. Well unless you are selling of course

This is what you said. I am not an agent and i didnt mention house prices. Why did you reply to my post with this ? I know because as always you aim to create an endless argument ..

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I know the owners at 101evler i will drop them an email and tell them about your dishonesty claims. Personally i think they just collate the live stats from their website.

Bit dangerous to start making libelous allegations about a trnc company but thats your call

I’m shaking in my boots. Saying they aren't that great at keeping their website up to date is libellous? Inefficiency isn’t dishonesty.
Maybe they have upped their game in which case I apologise but I soon stopped looking on there after I moved here as it was generally old news.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I’m sure, I’ve never met an estate agent yet who has told me the property market is tanking. Well unless you are selling of course

This is what you said. I am not an agent and i didnt mention house prices. Why did you reply to my post with this ? I know because as always you aim to create an endless argument ..

Just pointing out that certain business sectors are known for their creativity.

[Reyntj]

Nearly missed your edit but bad luck. Not something I follow but I do know, along with most who visit their website, that 101 ever aren’t exactly renowned for putting up up to date information.

This is what you said...apparently you have had discussions with others who agree.

You just made that up to cause more argument..its.nonsense and.unlkely true..

Anyway ive reported it and you can tell kibkom about your discussions with others and claims