state of the UK 10 yrs on

[waz-24-7]

Reading some past discussions upon the 2016 referendum to leave the European Union and single market.

So 10 yrs on the inevitable is now clear to see.
Were the predictions correct. ....Absolutely

The UK economy is in melt down with essentially zero growth.
Trade deals have just not materialised.
Fishing and agriculture has suffered immense damage.
British steel is crippled.
Exports have collapsed.
The EU has not broken down as some predicted. It certainly is weaker without the UK and war in Europe is once again looming closer and fast.
The UK is militarily weak and the country is the weakling in the herd. Ripe for attack.
UK border control is in disarray. Desirable EU professionals have disappeared replaced by young fighting age males of mixed and often dubious character.
The NHS never got the £350,000 a week investment as the RED bus sold us.
The Northern Island border issue has completely failed everyone.
Travelling and Schengen restrictions have become real issues for UK citizens.
Farage himself acknowledges the failure tho his ultra right wing ideology has progressed to the next level.
financial losses are now measured in £ billions x 000 and no recovery plan is evident as the government remain tied

To the get over it, wait and see, brigade.
Take back control.
Hardly!!
Yes you got it totally wrong.
Anyone got any positive outcomes...?

Please be more wary of politicians bearing wonderful slogans and promises of untold freedom and happiness.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

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[benjaminbutton]

EnjoyingTheSun, you can ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ all you like, but the fact remains, this is probably the very first time I have been in agreement with kikcommer, goes against the grain, but sadly true.

[waz-24-7]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

your sleeping well or possibly for ever doesn't rank as a positive outcome...at least not for me.

[waddo]

On the bright side - ??? Oh well, only another 15 years to wait to see if the predictions for recovery will come true! Of course the old majority who fell for all the lies will probably never be around then and the legacy left behind will be covered up as normal. I predict that the BBC will do a special investigation into what everyone knows already and just roll out the facts “As they see them” to prove what a fine news reporting system it is! Will I care when I am 93? Probably as much as I do now - lol.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

EnjoyingTheSun, you can ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ all you like, but the fact remains, this is probably the very first time I have been in agreement with kikcommer, goes against the grain, but sadly true.

I didn’t even read it tbh. I’m assuming it’s the usual Brexit is the reason we have so many abandoned dogs in TRNC or suchlike. Britain’s economy is buggered because we destroyed our manufacturing industry years ago.
Any recent decline is impossible to measure against Brexit because of the effects of the covid lockdown which everyone is still recovering from.
As for the state of the U.K. in general that’s because our politicians & authorities decided that crime, corruption and anti-social behaviour was too much trouble to deal with.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

your sleeping well or possibly for ever doesn't rank as a positive outcome...at least not for me.

Wow that is the first and only time you’ve ever read and not deliberately misunderstood or ignored my reply.

What I find strange is you never come on here with anything to do about the TRNC. To ask about something, to offer help or comment about something happening out here unless there is a chance of shoehorning Brexit into it.

I have visions of you stalking a variety of forums to cut and paste your usual Brexit diatribe.
Bird Watchers of Norfolk have a thread on why the Siberian Chiffchaffs haven’t been seen this year and in you jump “well had the people not voted for Brexit……”

[waz-24-7]

your sleeping well or possibly for ever doesn't rank as a positive outcome...at least not for me.

Wow that is the first and only time you’ve ever read and not deliberately misunderstood or ignored my reply.

What I find strange is you never come on here with anything to do about the TRNC. To ask about something, to offer help or comment about something happening out here unless there is a chance of shoehorning Brexit into it.

I have visions of you stalking a variety of forums to cut and paste your usual Brexit diatribe.
Bird Watchers of Norfolk have a thread on why the Siberian Chiffchaffs haven’t been seen this year and in you jump “well had the people not voted for Brexit……”

Thank you,
I shall refrain from any further comment to you. I think your time is better spent doing something else.
Others with more sensible and intelligent input are welcome.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

Thank you,
I shall refrain from any further comment to you. I think your time is better spent doing something else.
Others with more sensible and intelligent input are welcome.

I’ve noticed that there is another thread going about some difficulty paying a water bill out here.
I’m thinking Brexit Waz, given they had no trouble pre June 2016.

Why don’t you get in there and fill your boots

[benjaminbutton]

Paid water bill second time, didn't realise I had to have mobile close by at the same time. As for Brexit, well I'm too old and past it to comment really, just know that despite family wanting us back, I can't think of many reasons for returning to UK. Other than I can buy as much decent porridge as I want.

[erol]

Brexit is the reason why my 90 year old mother, who lives in the UK in Dunstable and 20 mins from Luton airport, can no longer come and go from Cyprus via Larnaca as she wishes.

Yes she can in theory come via Turkey, change planes in Turkey and then fly on to Ercan but the reality is at her age this increased difficulty is the difference between being able to come on her own and not being able to come at all under her own steam.

This is a real world actual detriment to the quality of my Mothers life and is explicitly a result of Brexit and nothing else. I have yet to see any compensating benefit for my Mother as a result of Brexit. Only downside and loss for her.

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[Dalartokat]

Erol, Why has Brexit stopped your mum travelling if she can cope with being on the plane for the journey, as you seem to be saying she would, but Brexit is stopping her.

[£eagle]

Erol, am I wrong in thinking that it is possible to travel from the uk via Larnaca provided that you observe the 90/180 day rule?

[wagon wheels]

It definitely is, as we use this journey quite often.

[erol]

Yes my mother can and does come luton to larnaca and does so on her own but if she comes this way she then has to leave after 90 days and can not return again that way for 90 days. Pre brexit she could come this way and stay as long as she liked and could return again when she liked. Post brexit she can no longer do so. This difference is real and material and a direct result of brexit and only brexit.

Before brexit and after the pro brexit extremist will just say no big deal, just come via Ercan but saying that just ignores the reality. Getting old is not nice. The loss of agency is horrible and scary. At some point my mother will no longer be able to live alone in the UK and at that point she will either have to come and live in Cyprus where I can look after her or go into a care home in the UK which she does not want to do. Pre Brexit the idea that she could transition from living in the UK and visting Cyprus to living in Cyprus and visting the UK at her own pace and without having to make a specific decsion to stop living in UK was possible. Post Brexit that is no longer the case. Now she is forced to have to chose when she comes to Cyprus as to if she is going to come for a maximum of 90 days or not. The idea she could just come and see how it goes once she is here has now been lost as a result of Brexit.

The difference is real. The loss of her right to be able to come and go as she pleased is real. The impact of that loss is real.

As much as some people are fed up with others ascribing loss to Brexit that they believe is not down to Brexit to the extent that they feel the need to say so publicly and ridicule the people doing so , so too do I get fed up with others saying there has been no loss as a result of Brexit and its all just made nonsense from disgruntled remainers.

[waddo]

I enjoyed the benefits of being a citizen of the EU, I did not enjoy the choice being ripped away from me. A real and tangible benefit of being a EU citizen was my ability to drive in the South of this Island for a period of more than 16 hours at a time. Now that I am a 3rd country national I am required to gain a 1 day TOM for every 16 hours I spend there - the catch is that this time expires at midnight every day so can not be renewed until 08:00 the next "Working" day. No more night stops or holiday breaks for us in the South now - Brexit killed that dead.

A minor thing you may say - so it probably is to some but not to others.

[benjaminbutton]

Erlol, your Mother is very lucky to have even the possibility of going into a UK home if she so desired, as some of them are very good HOWEVER, 10,000 POUNDS A MONTH is about par for the course, and some are much more expensive than that.

I can't remember the last time I ventured down south, at least 8 years I guess, or when Debenhams closed down. I know quite a number of Brits who go down at least once a months and loads and loads of locals who go very regularly. Brexit is/was of no consequence to them.

[erol]

Erlol, your Mother is very lucky to have even the possibility of going into a UK home if she so desired, as some of them are very good HOWEVER, 10,000 POUNDS A MONTH is about par for the course, and some are much more expensive than that.

She is indeed very fortunate to have such choices, compared to many. As I am kind of unfortunate that her consistent choice to date is that she does not want to go in to a care home no matter how luxurious it may be. end of. An opinion I may disagree with but am obliged to respect none the less.

I can't remember the last time I ventured down south, at least 8 years I guess, or when Debenhams closed down. I know quite a number of Brits who go down at least once a months and loads and loads of locals who go very regularly. Brexit is/was of no consequence to them.

Brexit is of no consequence to those locals that are also recognised by the RoC as Cypriot whatever situation they are in now or might be in the future. Unless like me they have a mother or other close relative who is not Cypriot (or German or French etc etc) and for whom being able to move freely into , out of and through Cyprus matters. Then it does have consequences even for such Cypriots.

Brexit is of no consequence to Brits living in the north who do not want to ever go south or only want to be able to access the south for one day car trips and have no desire to be able to enter or exit Cyprus via the south. That is until and unless their situation changes and they do want or need to be able to stay in the south with their car more than a day or want or need to able to leave Cyprus via Larnaca or Paphos or Limassol. Then there would be consequences for them.

[erol]

A minor thing you may say - so it probably is to some but not to others.

+1

10 years ago or even 5 the difference for my mother of having the right to move freely into, out of and through the south and not having such was primarily a matter of convenience. Now it is more a matter of being forced to confront her increasing loss of agency and control because of age earlier than she (or I) would otherwise have had to. Now she (and I) have to consider and ask if she even can safely go from Dunstable to Ercan under her own steam any more in order to be able to stay more than 90- days. To even have to ask that question is humiliating and difficult for my mother (and me). Answering it more so. Without Brexit we would not have been forced to have to answer this question now. Without Brexit we would only have to confront such a question if and when she becomes unable to go from Dunstable to Larnaca under her own steam. That feels like something very different from 'just' a matter of convenience in my opinion.