What Britain Has become

[bubbles]

Lookıng at all the news feeds and videos that people have posted on facebook about how our country is under threat from the horrifıc Muslım ınfıltratıon of how they speak about Brıtaın.

They have been talks how they want to take over the uk and everybody must change to become Muslım or leave. Even they say thıs about our queen and how they want to change her palace to become a mosque!

Watchıng a vıdeo of Brıtısh ın Woolwıch where they have all had enough now, and to attack. Prompts fears of backlash agaınst Brıtısh Muslıms.
Everybody ıs shocked and angry sınce the murder of Lee Rıgby and have now come together on the streets to fıght for theır country of how they feel about the Brıtısh Muslıms that are tryıng to take over the uk and what they are doıng.

The Muslım thınk that ıts ok for the attacks sayıng that we take theır women and our troops are kıllıng there people.

why does our country let people lıke thıs ınto our country to be come under threat! one vıdeo shown a Brıtısh lady tryıng to come to the bottom of what ıs happenıng and why the Muslıms are tryıng to take over the uk and rıots sayıng the Brıtısh polıce to go to hell, hands off Muslıms.

Brıtısh woman speaker ın the rıots speaks to a Muslım ''everybody got a rıght to protest, yes. but why shout polıce should burn ın hell''.
and says ''no real Muslım wants anybody to burn ın hell''.
Muslım woman says ''yea but what they have done. and you choose what you want to wear and ı choose what ı want to wear'',
then the muslım lady who ıs all dressed ın black clothes says to Brıtısh lady ''you look naked, who you tryıng to seduce''
Brıtısh woman then speaks ''why are you judgıng me what ı wear, ı dont judge you''

Brıtısh woman speaks fınally... ''they say ın Islam you should respect the land you are lıvıng ın''.
Muslım speaks fınally... '' If the law of the land ıs not Islamıc then everybody can burn ın hell or change to become Muslım''

** İ have not wrote thıs to say all Muslım are bad, you get good and bad ın all relıgıons, but tryıng to respect would be good especıally when we allow the people to lıve freely ın our country and have our works etc.. ın the uk there are lots of natıonalıty and relıgıon but why would ıt go thıs far for such brutal behavıour! **

( ı been told today that my brother who ıs alo ın the R.A.F regıment that he lıke other troops have to close theır facebooks for a few weeks as they are on red alert, so that any terrorısts cant fınd anymore of our troops lıke what they have done to that poor boy Lee Rıgby).

all our troops are tryıng to do ıs protect and serve our country from people lıke thıs! and that poor boy that got brutally murdered on hıs own soıl ıs one of our heros.

[Sandman]

This is the alarmist rubbish you expect from the EDL and other half wits. You are in a muslim country in TRNC - do you have any problems with the Turks???More likely to be the Brits.

[Soner]

Sandman, wondered what you meant by EDL and Googled it: English Defence League - you learn something everyday.
Bubbles, I had seen the documentary that you talk about, these people are a very small minority with small minds - do not link them to religion, they use religion as an excuse for what they want to believe.

[bubbles]

actually..no ı dont have any problem wıth the turks!! ı am marrıed to one!
ı never put thıs thread up to speak bad, dıd ı mentıon that ı have a problem wıth the turks.. no!
all ı was angry about ıs the fact for that poor boy and what brıtaın has become.
ı also have a famıly member that goes out to war and does hıs bıt to protect.
ı have just put thıs thread up as ıt was ınterestıng for me just lıke what alot of other people wrıte on the forum about dıfferent stuff too.
ıf you dont lıke what ı have wrote then dont read ıt or my apologıes.
ı dıdnt mean to upset anybody wıth thıs thread.
ıts all over the news anyway so what ıs ıt.
ıf ı had a problem wıth turks.. then *** am ı doıng lıvıng here and marrıed to one.

soner please delete thıs thread

[Grockle]

ALL religion is bad.
It's just an outdated way of exerting power and keeping the masses afraid and under control.
This is only my opinion.
Each to their own!

[bubbles]

ı totally agree wıth you. thankyou! but my thread was not referrıng to turkısh or any ındıvıdual, ı was speakıng just about what ı have been watchıng and what has shocked me. but also what has made sad and dısgusted for that poor soldıer.
ı was only sharıng some hear say what people are talkıng about. ım not ınto polıtıcs and everybody has a rıght to protest but some of the speeches that are used ın our country ıs bad.. thats all ım goıng to say.

[Soner]

Bubbles, no offence intended.
Do you still want me to delete this post?

Grockle, as they say, the 3 main causes of war is: Money, Politics and Religion. Not that they are bad, but because how some of us beings use and abuse them.

[Marions]

One cannot say 'all religion is bad' because there are true adherents to their respective faiths who do much good. Those who contort true religion are those who use the name of faith to do evil deeds. The fight of good and evil will be here all the while our world is here - one has only tolook at history and at today to see that mankind is not yet mature.
What we see in U.K at Woolwich is pure evil(if one can indeed use such an expression). If you are going to 'blame' anyone then you can blame Satan, but then satanic rites are evil and Satanism is a form of religion, so one could say that is bad.
I don't see any need to delete this thread, as there are several discussions on this subject on various facebook pages, and I think it is healthy to openly discuss one's fears, thoughts etc, because we can all learn from each other, and just maybe someone has something to say which can help another to understand, and to let go of their inner confusion.

The only trouble with these debates onpaper is that they are inclined to go around and around, but I find it fascinating to hear the views of others. I am glad I am no longer living in South |London as it is not anything like the place I grew up, but then everywhere changes, doesn't it.

As for the EDL, it makes me ashamed to be English, but looking at the interview on a TV station, it shows how easy it is to be brain washed to the bad (we are all brain washed in terms of learning behaviour) but it also shows how we all need a reason to live and these 'cults' use the vulnerable to teach them to follow certainpaths which are beneficial to no one.

[Rambling Rose]

The title of this thread is "What Britain has become" and to my mind it is the important one. According to my paper the killer was not an immigrant nor had any family connections with Islam, but was a second generation British citizen of Nigerian ethnic original, described as a "decent Christian boy" brought up in the Christian tradition by Christian parents. What is wrong with Britain that so many of our youth go wrong , and many , like this one, seek comfot and an example in a different culture and faith. It is a tragedy for Islam as well as Britain that they fall easy to say prey to the fanatical fringe.

Has it to do with the fact that for f rom having a goal to aim for , they grow up to find themselves condemmed to boring, badly payed jobs, if they can find jobs at all, in a society that worships wealth and whose idols are pop. stars, footballers and smutty comedians leading lifestyles wich are contrary to the beliefs of decent,moderate Christians and Muslims alike. Has it to do with corrupt politicians who cheat on expenses and lie about their reasons for committing thier county to war, greedy financiers, NHS Managers who care more about ballance sheets than sick people, social services which penalise the thrifty and responsible for the beneft of the grafters, a legal system which is financially accessible only to the very poor or very rich, and an educations system which churns out people with degrees in fancy subjects but unable to master the 3Rs. ?

Or is it simply that in our desperate quest for wealth and glamour we have forgotten the basic decent skills and interests and far from having the respect he used to the normal, decent craftsman or middle management executive is despised and and an example to be avoided.

[Rambling Rose]

Apologies for duplication: usual problem of "Website expired". Could a mod delete please. Also sorry for misspelling "their" - someone is sure to notice after the crack about the 3Rs!

(DONE RR. As to 'their' - I did not even notice, . M the Mod)

[bubbles]

soner
thankyou but you can leave this thread on as it is for a while then as some people dont find what i have wrote offened, as i never wanted to do that in the first place.

i only started this as a discussion as all people have different views.. like marion said its interesting to know peoples views on this subject.

there is good and bad in all religions and yes soner is all boils down to them 3 things i agree.

but how come one member on here can call that scum bag a decent boy that murdered that poor soldier, a son, a father, and a husband... seriously! ' they need to bring back the death penalty'.
not prison sentence.
FACT

[Rambling Rose]

Oh dear! Bubbles I did not call him a "decent boy" - I quoted the paper. but maybe I did not make it clear they said he WAS a decent boy - Past tense. If so we need to know what changed him. Nothing to do with form of punishment. But he was a son too, and if as was suggested his parents are decent people, think what hell they must be going through now.

[bubbles]

ım sorry maybe ı read your thread too fast. my apologıes

[Rambling Rose]

Thank you Bubbles for the apology and for having the grace to make it, and I apologise if I was not clear. I think we all fall into the trap of speed reading, and get into spats because of misunderstandings.

The point I was trying to make is that - as Marion says - we all need a reason to live and I think it should concern all well meaning people that in the UK today it seems young men and women cannot find it in their everyday lives and the culture they are been born and brought up in, and become vulnerable to extremist political and religious sects.

[belle]

Our problem in the UK is that we are too tolerant, we tolerate these fanatics and their views when we should be arresting them and deporting them if they are foreigners or prosecuting those that are British, get the scum off the streets. Even the Imans are saying this, we are pulling together at last, I hope some good comes out of this disgusting evil crime.

[Rambling Rose]

Belle: As I understand it "we" can , and do, arrest those who are British citizens if they have committed a crime, and not using kid gloves either. The problem seems to be that it is EU Regulations that prevent deportation of those who promote it, and that opens a whole new can of worms.

I still want to know what it is about British society that makes our youth such a fertile hunting ground for the fanatics and I dont believe Britain will become a decent community again until we acknowedge this problem and do something about it.

[muffin]

There are several problems at the root of British Society. Complete lack of respect for each other. Lack of discipline for the children both at home and at school. The teachers have no means of controlling the children - they only have to speak sternly to a child to receive a visit from a ranting, raving parent. The Vctorian methods may have been a bit too strict but they certainly resulted in a more controlled and civilised society. Bring back some workable means of punishing prpoerly those who abuse others and allow the police and authorities to do the jobs they are supposed to do. Most of all bring back old fashioned family values

[Rambling Rose]

Well said Muffin. Discipline can be overdone, of course, but without any at all people , particularly the young and experienced, have no grounding on which the base their values.

[belle]

I totally agree with both of you, the youth of today have no respect for anyone, they need to be taught respect, sadly I fear the bleeding heart do gooder brigade has caused so much damage I fear at least two generations are lost and unless we go back to victorian values now there is no hope.

Bring back National Service, teach them all how to be men instead of thuggish youths.

[carolhm]

I am a proud mum of three . I was taught respect and manners by my mother and taught my 3 the same . My daughter is doing the same to her two.
I am proud to say that both my boys work , one a dentist in Manchester and the other a postman , both are lucky to have full time jobs . My daughter is a mother to two . She had been trying for so long to get a job , she hated being labelled a mum on benefits . She has finally got a job , a fork lift driver . It hopefully will turn into a full time job at the end of her 8 week training . She is so excited and proud to be working .

Not all of the youths of today are bad , a lot yes, but not all

[Sandman]

There is very little wrong with England from where I stand apart from dreadful governments from Thatcher to the present.
I go about my business on a daily basis with no problem.
People are decent and mostly courteous well mannered and helpful.
What is happening is that every little "event" is being pinpointed by our right wing media and broadcast incessantly to the point where everyone feels threatened by a number of things from yobs to extremists.
Remember we are a nation of over 60 million and it is a very tiny number of those who cause trouble.
And banging on about national service is not the answer nor is constantly blaming the EU.
But a decent government with teeth might help !!
Still one of the best countries in the world despite what the media would have us believe!!!
But from what I read here if the UK is not being knocked then it's TRNC.

[bubbles]

sandman
and what do you mean from what you read that maybe ıts the TRNC beıng knocked

[belle]

Sandman I disagree with you on so many levels. I will say no more, except we need out of Europe and the ECHR.

[bubbles]

i agree
at least some body is on my level that understands me, i feel some debate coming on soon lol
but then everybody is entitled to their own opinion... if we dont get answers like ; maybe your knocking the TRNC.

[sophie]

A bit off thread I know but "what Britain has Become" came to mind when I saw the photographs yesterday of Drummer Rigbys Wife (now widow) plus their child AND his Fiance, both leaving flowers by the kerbside.

[Marions]

I agree,but I did get to wondering as to whether it is the Media that makes us now even more aware. back in the 1950's etc when the Kray Brothers, the Richardsons and others were terrorising people , there was really only the newspapers that carried the news. The TV would not major on it, and there was no internet, etc. the human heart in many instances is no better is it, there are still places in Britain where there are few troubles if any, but it also seems that the 'rat syndrome' has taken off - people crowded and behaving like rats, plus these people looking for purpose and becoming fantastics and just downright evil.

just a thought.

[Rambling Rose]

Marion : it is true the bad news spreads faster and further these days. It is also fact that mans' inhumanity to man (often in the name of religion) is documented throughout the ages. It is a truism that each generation is critical of the following ones.

However, I still feel that modern youth in Britain (and other more affluent and sophisticated contries) lacks the moral guidance and standards that my generation had - and that this is responsible for many of the problems of British society today. Added to which underemployment and the decline in respect for the useful but less glamorous vocations denies them worthwhile life objectives to aim for.

And they are just fed soft soap at school encouraged by cynical polititions, and platitudes by established religions, instead of being taught how to think things out for themslelves.

The children of ethnic minorities who already have to cope with the conflict between the culture of their ancetors and that of their contemporaries probably suffer the most,

And unless we face up to it now, the problem will increase as insecurities and resentments are passed from generation to generation.

[journey1]

Education and family values taught and practised are all. I am from Scotand and have two beautiful daughters from another culture who grew up there and went to university. The only racism we experienced was from a patient who declared to me (after hearing their names) was that I had two 'half castes'! I was disgusted but I still had to care for that person! So my message is just one of understanding and humility - it happens in UK too remember. Lost is the fact that recently a British soldier in Aghanistan whilst drunk stabbed a 10 year old child to death. There are always tradegies in war. Nothing really is gained because of the underlying politics.

[Sandman]

I have never heard such drivel - usually from the same contributors. Stop reading the Daily Mail and if you must read tabloids ensure you understand what is being said.

[bubbles]

well everybody entitled to their own opinion