New BRS all hot air.

Carbotec · Post by **Carbotec** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 4:48 pm

Nearly 2 weeks later and still you cannot contact the BRS on the Website, which means they are not contacting their members either!
New press release! What a load of hot air, they have had a committee meeting and they are THINKING of holding some meetings with the Government !
Back to the Old Ways, just thinking about it!!!
How very sad

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 5:01 pm

Surprised - not at all.

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 5:12 pm

There was a presence at Lambousa and the Hut this week. It is all very easy to judge but so quickly suggests your minds are already made up.

Personally I prefer to keep an open mind.

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 5:14 pm

Jonnie, got it in one.

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 5:15 pm

Jonnie, got it in one.

Carbotec · Post by **Carbotec** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 6:14 pm

Jonnie .......what about CreditWest Bank and George's Cafe don't these get a service, what about the members living over the east side?

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 6:29 pm

tomsteel wrote:Jonnie, got it in one.

Yes I think I have.

"Don't confuse me with the facts my mind is made up"

Cafe George? Where exactly is the hut? I thought it was near the courts. Not far away from Cafe George surely. Does not sell Effes though!

mickhm · Post by **mickhm** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 6:34 pm

I look after the East side holding sessions on the 2nd and 4th Tuesday at Stevies Bar Kucuk Erenkoy where they sell efes and the 2nd Satuday at Bogaz Harbour where they also sell Efes.

Mick

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 6:38 pm

I also think David Brown had a holiday booked, now most of you will wave your ballot papers and shout out of order but remember as pointed out by a former committee member on another thread they are just volunteers, or would you have been happy (member that is) if the cancellation had come out of funds???

No I did not think so.

Personally I prefer not to put the blinkers on, I prefer to keep an open mind and allow time to tell.

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 6:39 pm

mickhm wrote:I look after the East side holding sessions on the 2nd and 4th Tuesday at Stevies Bar Kucuk Erenkoy where they sell efes and the 2nd Satuday at Bogaz Harbour where they also sell Efes.

Mick

They probably will not believe you Mick

mickhm · Post by **mickhm** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 7:12 pm

No it's true they do sell Efes at both venues and even more when I am there

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Thu 24 Apr 2014 8:24 pm

So, if the Chairman IS away on holiday, where is the Vice Chairman's message to BRS members? He was more than vocal at the debacle of the 2014 AGM!!

henry_vox · Post by **henry_vox** » Fri 25 Apr 2014 1:16 am

Was going to hear to cafe george next wednesday for some advice. Will there be someone there?

Carbotec · Post by **Carbotec** » Fri 25 Apr 2014 4:52 am

Tomsteel why don't you visit the BRS website where you can read the chairmans report of the recent committee meeting.

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Fri 25 Apr 2014 6:08 am

Been there, do not believe it.

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Fri 25 Apr 2014 7:07 am

mickhm wrote:I look after the East side holding sessions on the 2nd and 4th Tuesday at Stevies Bar Kucuk Erenkoy where they sell efes and the 2nd Satuday at Bogaz Harbour where they also sell Efes
Mick

henry_vox wrote:Was going to hear to cafe george next wednesday for some advice. Will there be someone there?

This one may be nearer for you Henry_Vox failing that they are at the Hut I think 10 till 12 on a Saturday.

Carbotec · Post by **Carbotec** » Fri 25 Apr 2014 7:09 am

Tomsteel I think your a realist, I don't believe it either

terry2366 · Post by **terry2366** » Fri 25 Apr 2014 9:10 pm

Was there not an investigation underway within the BRS to do with David Brown trying to get another BRS member thrown out of the BRS and using an immigration police officer friend to get him arrested? If this is true what happened to the investigation?

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Sat 26 Apr 2014 10:52 am

They are contacting members, I received 2 e-mails yesterday. One from David Brown and one from Julia Bennet.

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Sat 26 Apr 2014 11:58 am

2 for me also. Has anybody an answer to terry2366's question?

terry2366 · Post by **terry2366** » Sat 26 Apr 2014 12:10 pm

I am led to believe Stephen Day was tasked with investigating this. I understand it was something to do with an assault at the Dome hotel on a BRS night with a guest from the hotel. Very grown up and obviously an asset to the committee but there was alcohol involved.

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Sat 26 Apr 2014 2:26 pm

I think you will find it was David Brown who was assaulted and the culprit ended up apologising to the committee by letter.

terry2366 · Post by **terry2366** » Sat 26 Apr 2014 5:12 pm

From what I am led to believe the (culprit ) as you say only apologised fo being involved which showed good manners. As it happened twice at the (culprits ) table one would have to ask why Daved Brown was present both times ? Is that the official report from Steven Day you are quoting that was unable to be read because of the organised upheaval. Also you did not answer the question of why the immigration police officer friend of Davin Brown was involved who I gather has since been disciplined . It does not seem very chairmanly and why he has not apologised for his part in it. I am also led to believe the (alleged ) injury he sustained when he fell over the table was unable to be substantiated.. I am also led to believe there is a civil case brought by the (culprit) which is ongoing as we speak.I am also led to believe the committee did not admonish the (culprit ) quite the opposite they believed the fault lay with DB who tried using the police and committee to try and get the (culprit ) thrown out. The full facts are available in the public domain
On northcyprusinfo@aol.com I hope this answers yours jonnie.

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Sat 26 Apr 2014 6:00 pm

terry2366 wrote:From what I am led to believe the (culprit ) as you say only apologised fo being involved which showed good manners. As it happened twice at the (culprits ) table one would have to ask why Daved Brown was present both times ? Is that the official report from Steven Day you are quoting that was unable to be read because of the organised upheaval. Also you did not answer the question of why the immigration police officer friend of Davin Brown was involved who I gather has since been disciplined . It does not seem very chairmanly and why he has not apologised for his part in it. I am also led to believe the (alleged ) injury he sustained when he fell over the table was unable to be substantiated.. I am also led to believe there is a civil case brought by the (culprit) which is ongoing as we speak.I am also led to believe the committee did not admonish the (culprit ) quite the opposite they believed the fault lay with DB who tried using the police and committee to try and get the (culprit ) thrown out. The full facts are available in the public domain
On northcyprusinfo@aol.com I hope this answers yours jonnie.

You seem to be led to believe an awful lot!

You claim I did not answer? Sorry but did not realise your statement was directed at me, if it was I have no idea why?

"The full facts are available in the public domain
On northcyprusinfo@aol.com I hope this answers yours jonnie." This bit really does not make sense, firstly I did not ask anything and the link you give is an e-mail address therefore not public domain.

terry2366 · Post by **terry2366** » Sat 26 Apr 2014 6:18 pm

It's the committee report on the incident it is in the public domain I can send you a copy if you like so you have the facts but if your mind is already made up?

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Sat 26 Apr 2014 8:44 pm

terry2366 wrote:It's the committee report on the incident it is in the public domain I can send you a copy if you like so you have the facts but if your mind is already made up?

I don't make my mind up based on accusations, suppositions and things implied but not substantiated.

If it is in the public domain post a link.

Marions · Post by **Marions** » Sat 26 Apr 2014 9:44 pm

This is very interesting. Owl Lady you say you received two letters. I have received none and my husband has received none. Are they slowly working their way through the alphabet, or has mine got lost. Could someone send me a copy of what has been sent to members.

Or is there something on the BRS web page.

As Alice said 'Curioser and curioser."

Mountain Edge · Post by **Mountain Edge** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 7:29 am

I'm with you Marion, I've had nothing at all either.

Carbotec · Post by **Carbotec** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 8:27 am

One thinks it's being selective sending them out, I've not had any. Sent mail to DB asking why?

Carbotec · Post by **Carbotec** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 8:34 am

Jonnie you seen to know a lot, sounds like someone is feeding you.

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 9:20 am

Carbotec wrote:Jonnie you seen to know a lot, sounds like someone is feeding you.

I assume you mean "seem".

No one is feeding me and I find the remark offensive. I also wonder why you do not suggest others are being fed, why single me out. It is not I who is being "led". I make enquiries so my mind is not clouded by what is written by a few actually seem to end up saying very little.

smithscorner · Post by **smithscorner** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 9:24 am

BRS? - Bickering Residents Society.

Deniz1 · Post by **Deniz1** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 9:30 am

This is sooo BORING!

Marions · Post by **Marions** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 9:38 am

It would be extremely helpful if those who knew FACTS could post them. Also if any e mails have been sent to members, that the members who have n OT had them could receive information how to get it. It would also help to provide any links to anything in the public domain which others cannot seem t find.
There is little point bickering, (which is an apt title at the moment), when all that is really wanted is truth. And where to find it.

One might hope the forum would help provide clarification, and it would of course be more than a ltitle helpful if any of the current committee could make a statement on here (assuming they read it), and if they have not read it, perhaps someone could point them to this thread so they can help their confused, disgruntled, unhappy and potentially bickering members.

I am very confused, and I find that I am getting more confused. And it might help if someone could advise which of the information points are open and who is manning them. Did someone say that Julia Price was there, but who of the committee was there.

It does all seem very very sad, that BRS is going more and more down the pan as its members (well a fair numbe r of them) just do not know what is happening or why.

We need to start The Age of Enlightenment where the Society is concerned, for it seems to have sunk into darkness. (and I say that as a member, not any other hat which I may from time to time wear.

Marions · Post by **Marions** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 10:14 am

The First Resignation Incident.docx: (18.45 KiB) Downloaded 107 times

The David Brown Incident Summary.docx: (13.65 KiB) Downloaded 106 times

I have been two documents which you can read here attached as above. I hope this works, as I have not done this before.

People reading these may have varying emotions, and I would be good to have a response form the current committee - I think that is the only way we can all see what the truth is all round.

If anyone else has any useful information on this, please do submit. Thanks.

Loobyloo · Post by **Loobyloo** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 12:44 pm

I really think it's time this was closed whilst I have every sympathy with people who feel the AGM was a Shamble this thread is now being used by people who are using it for their own agenda. Yes there was an incident at a BRS event involving a member who had been asked not to attend with his child. I know I am not the only expat who feels small children are not appropriate at formal events. The actions of the then committee were in my opinion poor but as has been stated it was dealt with and should be put to bed.Can I suggest that unless comments are actually relative to where BRS is now this line of posting should be stopped

squashmad · Post by **squashmad** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 1:35 pm

The plot thickens and the mud increases!!

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 2:26 pm

If these documents reflect the truth, the new Chairman MUST resign. If they are not true, he should answer with the truth so that members can decide what they want to do. The BRS is not about the Committee, it is about the Members and their best interests. We already know the feelings of the Vice Chairman on females in command within Her Majesty's Armed Forces from his article in the Cyprus Today in October 2009. I wonder how long he served in any of the various branches to base his judgement upon. I served for 40 years and then 5 more as a Civil Servant supporting them and I met some great female leaders, some great male leaders and some indifferent of either gender. However, for him to base his written and published view on females and 'their time of month' relationship to their leadership was, at least, a slur on female leadership ability.

Marions · Post by **Marions** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 2:33 pm

It could be interesting to note tha ton St./Andrew's Parish Council there is a married couple who serve together, as form the AGM in April, - and it is not the first time for them on the council. And they arenot the first couple to serve on the council. Interesting that the mighty tortoise of an Anglican church can move forward, whereas other organizations stay trapped in the past - and one must ask why?

As to the gentleman who had already bought tickets for his family to go to the Ball, he did try to resolve the matter by having his party on the terrace, and no way did his very well behaved, charming son do anything to spoil, anyone's evening. It is also somewhat sad in a country where children are included in just about every social event, such cannot be afforded to 'foreign' society's out here. Not many folk have children, and of course those who have may6 not wish to get a baby sitter, plus the evening in question was the boy's birthday.

Complicated isn't it. As to dropping it, I feel there MUST be an adequate response to satisfy the members. It is the members who are asking the questions.

I have also discovered that the reason some members did not get the e mail referred to earlier is because they have not accessed the member's private section in the past. So, Owl Lady please send me a copy of those e mails.

My own opinio0n, for what it is worth is that several people feel they are owing the TRUTH. That is all - so please, can someone provide a response.

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 3:17 pm

Sorry but the place to get questions answered would be at a BRS meeting not on a forum such as this one. I do not know if there is a mechanism to do so.

As for the synopsis to the events it is worth of note that they are unsigned and include a lot of vitriolic text and not a lot about the facts that did happen, they certainly do not include any reports. The author would do well to follow some guidance from I think Duke University:-

"What is good reasoning?

If you make a good argument there is sound deductive logic to what you claim, rather than making use of false rethorical tricks. There are some basic mistakes people make when arguing their point. They are called logical fallacies. Using them makes your argument appear weaker. These are some of the most common ones:

• ad hominem attacks - profanity, personal attacks, ridicule etc. Anything that doesn't address the argument.
• correlation is not causation - just because at big fires there tend to be more firemen, it doesn't follow that firemen cause big fires.
• call on authority - assuming something is true on the mere basis of for instance a title of the person making the argument, or attacking those who do not agree with authority
• strawman -misrepresenting someone's argument (for instance by simplifying or exaggerating it) to make it easier to attack
• circular reasoning - assuming the conclusion, A is true because B is true; B is true because A is true.
• I am entitled to my opinion - yes, you are but you are not entitled to your own facts.
• cherry picking - ignoring evidence to the contrary and only selecting the facts that support your argument
• hasty generalization - drawing conclusions from a very small sample of facts."

As for young children, personally I do not like to see them at black tie type functions reminds me too much of weddings, I am not the only one who feels this way, however if the ruling is there surely you are waving a red rag to deliberately ignore it?

terry2366 · Post by **terry2366** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 4:10 pm

You mean a civilised meeting like the last AGM I suppose . It's a pity some of this does not suit your argument. As to the rest of your long winded attempt at educating us less gifted persons as your esteemed self I fell asleep halfway through. We all have our opinions if anything that appeared in that was not true now is the time to say so. A bully on a soap box is still a bully.

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 4:55 pm

For the benefit of posters calling for the closure of this topic, don't read them. Readers have the right to discuss and Mods have the right to manage the thread. This topic is, in my opinion anyway, more than just a BRS membership issue. All UK expats in the TRNC have the need for a trusted organisation to represent them in collective dealings with the TRNC authorities and UK High Commission. Trust and respect are earned - the recent behaviour of some of the new committe at the recent AGM left a great deal to be desired in these areas. As others have stated, bullies are just that!

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 5:28 pm

As some one once posted on here "if you don't like it ,don't read it!!!!"I suppose the logic is there some where!

silverfox1 · Post by **silverfox1** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 5:30 pm

EGM EGM EGM !!!!!

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 5:48 pm

tomsteel, I beg to differ. I did not retire here to be "represented" by other expats just because they feel the need to. This: http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/main/po ... stitution/ is quite good enought for me thank you.

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 6:42 pm

For those who do not know about the last EGM that was called, a group of 6 people, who were dubbed the "Ozankoy Idiots" stood for election. To every ones surprise, Steven Day was elected Chairman from this group. Beware EGMs can backfire!!

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Sun 27 Apr 2014 8:57 pm

terry2366 wrote:You mean a civilised meeting like the last AGM I suppose . It's a pity some of this does not suit your argument. As to the rest of your long winded attempt at educating us less gifted persons as your esteemed self I fell asleep halfway through. We all have our opinions if anything that appeared in that was not true now is the time to say so. A bully on a soap box is still a bully.

Terry not trying to educate anyone really just pointing out to the unidentified author of the text that if they want to be credible they should avoid vitriol. Just because the AGM stooped to the depths does not mean it should be used in the response surely? Would that not be dropping down to that level? It certainly does not do anything for the credibility of the "report".

To comment on whether the report is true or not, it really does not give much fact, it gives no minuted report just opinion and as I was not at the incident I am unable to say if any of the limited facts are true or not.

terry2366 · Post by **terry2366** » Mon 28 Apr 2014 7:06 am

Point taken Jonnie you have had more experience at this than me but it still leaves the point surely IF Brown was guilty of the misinformation and lies to the committee and to trying to use the good offices of the police and the BRS purely for personal reasons to have a fellow member dismissed he should at the least NEVER hold office again? Further to that people that have seen the report and tried to cover it up by whatever means bullying and disruption should also be barred after all this is not parliament as some people may think? The only way for this to be sure is for all members to get a copy of the 2013 committee report on this and the other deficiencies found by them sent to each person. After all they have paid and have a binding contract with the BRS. After all what do the new committee have to hide??? I think by now most sensible people will have realised this will not be swept under the carpet and It is NOT going away?

Hector · Post by **Hector** » Mon 28 Apr 2014 9:36 am

In Saturdays Cyprus Today, April 26th, front page and page 6, under the headline 'Foreign spouses can each buy a property.'

A brief extract 'The measures came into force following a decision by the Cabinet and is part of a raft of property related moves aimed by ministers at "facilitating" life in the country for expats - which could even include the scrapping of the current requirement for a homebuyer to obtain permission to Purchase (PTP).'

At the end of the article there is a decent quote from Marion Stokes of the Homebuyers Pressure Group welcoming the latest steps as "positive" and stating that the measures would help to encourage foreign investment etc.

My point is, why wasn't the BRS asked for their response? What does that tell us?

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Mon 28 Apr 2014 11:22 am

Whatever property measures the Government introduces MUST be the introduction of the right for purchasers to get their kocans in accordance with signed contracts, plus the denial of stealth mortgages, memorandums and like 'legal' wheezes to fleece purchasers.

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