Could this man be future Prime Minister

topten · Post by **topten** » Wed 01 Oct 2014 12:11 pm

http://youtu.be/HhGNoZfvRoA

woodspeckie · Post by **woodspeckie** » Wed 01 Oct 2014 2:44 pm

Hope not.

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Wed 01 Oct 2014 3:11 pm

Can't see how he would be better or worse than any others there have been!

frontalman · Post by **frontalman** » Wed 01 Oct 2014 6:00 pm

At least he has the balls to stand up and be different!

topten · Post by **topten** » Thu 02 Oct 2014 7:42 am

frontalman wrote:At least he has the balls to stand up and be different!

Totally agree

bigOz · Post by **bigOz** » Thu 02 Oct 2014 9:11 am

I think he should be the prime minister of UK! What guts the man has! I hate European politics and many UK policies of the past on foreign affairs - BUT this guy is something else! I would very much like to be his friend and support him

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Thu 02 Oct 2014 9:25 am

bigOz wrote:I think he should be the prime minister of UK! What guts the man has! I hate European politics and many UK policies of the past on foreign affairs - BUT this guy is something else! I would very much like to be his friend and support him

Oh the irony!

thornaby · Post by **thornaby** » Thu 02 Oct 2014 9:58 am

He certainly is saying the right things regarding immigration / open borders.

bigOz · Post by **bigOz** » Thu 02 Oct 2014 9:59 am

Groucho wrote:
bigOz wrote:I think he should be the prime minister of UK! What guts the man has! I hate European politics and many UK policies of the past on foreign affairs - BUT this guy is something else! I would very much like to be his friend and support him
Oh the irony!

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topten · Post by **topten** » Thu 02 Oct 2014 11:23 am

What he is saying is `Anyone that comes to the UK must be under 45yrs and have a skill that benefits the UK,they cannot get any handouts for 5yrs and be able to keep themselves for this period` this man as the same view as many British people.And I think unless Cameron & Co get there act together and do something regarding border control the UKIP party will gain support.

PapaBravo · Post by **PapaBravo** » Sat 04 Oct 2014 6:19 pm

Cameron or Milliband or Farage? For me it is a no brainer - Farage every time. Who would you have woodspeckie,and why?

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Sat 04 Oct 2014 6:57 pm

Wow!! What a speech, in this respect wish I was in the UK and could vote for him! I know proxy vote and all that!! I really would like to meet him! OK tin hat at the ready!

Makum · Post by **Makum** » Sun 05 Oct 2014 6:11 am

Farage is the only way forward, the Labour Party are a joke, Carmoron is out of touch and so far up his backside he can't see. We need out of EU before it drags us down with it, get the immigration mess sorted once an for all, and get Britain working for its self, it's what we are good at. UKIP is the only answer.

topten · Post by **topten** » Sun 05 Oct 2014 2:28 pm

Why does he frighten some people ?

journey1 · Post by **journey1** » Sun 05 Oct 2014 6:08 pm

No substance or evidence based research outcomes underpin all of his one liners!
He is flying with the political dogma of whatever is happening and his 'ideas for change' are not solutions in the short, mid or long term.
That's why so many people will doubt him and Scotland would never accept him.

Makum · Post by **Makum** » Sun 05 Oct 2014 7:43 pm

Nice speech Journey, but look at the alternatives, , we've tried the rest to no avail, so you want more of the same, we owe it to future generations to climb out of the sewer and move on, can you see that under Ed or Dave , I can't, we will be swimming in a sea of dihoria for the the next decade, Farage is no liar, he tells it as it is, the uk needs a change of tack with this man at the helm, at least we are sailing in the right direction

owl · Post by **owl** » Sun 05 Oct 2014 9:08 pm

Farage has ZERO chance of being PM.
The most he can wish for is to gain enough seats to force either Tories or Labour into a coalition with him.

If that happens, all his 'Election pledges' will go out of the window.

It would be a re-run of the Lib-Dems making a lot of very popular pledges they could not deliver. Clegg and Cable turned from Heroes to Zero's and have massively lost votes.

p.s. I will be voting UKIP, it's worth a chance of getting something new in the mire of UK Politics!

topten · Post by **topten** » Mon 06 Oct 2014 6:36 am

owl wrote:Farage has ZERO chance of being PM.
The most he can wish for is to gain enough seats to force either Tories or Labour into a coalition with him.

If that happens, all his 'Election pledges' will go out of the window.

It would be a re-run of the Lib-Dems making a lot of very popular pledges they could not deliver. Clegg and Cable turned from Heroes to Zero's and have massively lost votes.

p.s. I will be voting UKIP, it's worth a chance of getting something new in the mire of UK Politics!

I know he's not the prime minister but if Nick Clegg can get enough votes for a seat I'm sure a seaside donkey could.

Makum · Post by **Makum** » Sat 22 Nov 2014 8:01 am

The UKIP bandwagon marches on, with good ole Nigel giving Milibland and Dave the liar a poke in the eye, roll on May 2015.

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Sat 22 Nov 2014 8:10 am

At the speed this last year has flown (or is it just me getting old?) you won't have long to wait!! Good luck to him, at least hopefully he will give the other two numbskulls a run for their money!

KWAKERT4 · Post by **KWAKERT4** » Sat 22 Nov 2014 11:12 am

"He certainly is saying the right things regarding immigration / open borders."

Yeah, but nowt else, mind you, I'll vote for him just on the strength of those, and hope he has other things in his locker.

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sophie · Post by **sophie** » Sat 22 Nov 2014 1:20 pm

I've spoken to so many UK voters and had the same reply each time "I'll vote for UKip, if given the chance just the once, to put the frighteners on the other lot, but wouldn't vote for them time after time" I suspect there are a lot of people like that. Seems to me they are one trick ponies and haven't much to say on any other subject other than immigration and anti-Europe. Perhaps I've missed something, but I don't know what their alternatives are.

PapaBravo · Post by **PapaBravo** » Sat 22 Nov 2014 4:54 pm

Sophie,

"I'll vote for UKip, if given the chance just the once, to put the frighteners on the other lot, but wouldn't vote for them time after time"

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Where is the logic in saying you would only vote for them once? How can anyone make that decision until they have seen what the Party is like, and whether or not they keep the promises they make?

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Sat 22 Nov 2014 6:00 pm

Not clear yet on the UKIP manifesto - but, how many successive and previous governments have delivered on theirs, encouraged/condoned fraud by MPs using public funds and attempted to cover up these freudalant crimes? Those elected by the public need to realise and recognise they are public servants and nothing more important than that, just like civil servants, members of the emergency services, HM Forces et al. I have no confidence in the veracity of this, or many previous, governments' actions in the interests of the UK, so maybe, just maybe, UKIP might deliver on what they propose.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Sat 22 Nov 2014 11:19 pm

Just remember that now, who you elect is there for a fixed term of five years - examine; consider; look how the world changed over five years from the mid-1930's....
Be VERY careful, those who ignore history endanger the future..... demagogues often become dictators....

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Sun 23 Nov 2014 6:24 am

jofra wrote:Just remember that now, who you elect is there for a fixed term of five years - examine; consider; look how the world changed over five years from the mid-1930's....
Be VERY careful, those who ignore history endanger the future..... demagogues often become dictators....

The opening sentence is wrong... There is no fixed term only a maximum term. If the PM calls an election due to lack of confidence expressed in a vote for such, then it can be a lot shorter than 5 years.

PS... BigOz if you don't get the irony of you expressing a wish to be friends with Nigel Farage there is no hope of you understanding his politics....

topten · Post by **topten** » Tue 25 Nov 2014 7:44 am

They are on the up after winning another by-election, two seats and counting

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Tue 25 Nov 2014 8:20 am

topten wrote:They are on the up after winning another by-election, two seats and counting

What will happen when you run out of fingers and toes?

Dalartokat · Post by **Dalartokat** » Tue 25 Nov 2014 9:12 am

Groucho wrote:
topten wrote:They are on the up after winning another by-election, two seats and counting
What will happen when you run out of fingers and toes?

Use our mouths to shout from the rooftops

topten · Post by **topten** » Tue 25 Nov 2014 9:41 am

Groucho wrote:
topten wrote:They are on the up after winning another by-election, two seats and counting
What will happen when you run out of fingers and toes?

From little acorns....................................

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Tue 25 Nov 2014 10:10 am

Nigel Farage has about as much gravitas as Roy Chubby Brown - can't see a mighty oak springing from any of his genes.

kaiserphil · Post by **kaiserphil** » Tue 25 Nov 2014 10:44 am

As far as I am concerned UKIP are a warning to the complacent fools currently on the political scene.

Why should Farage be any worse than that lot, or their predecessors?

The more seats they can take, the more anti-UKIP drivel we will read in the DM and DE.

They don't like it up 'em!

topten · Post by **topten** » Tue 25 Nov 2014 12:42 pm

Groucho wrote:Nigel Farage has about as much gravitas as Roy Chubby Brown - can't see a mighty oak springing from any of his genes.

How can you say he as no dignity, has Cameron ? and as for Clegg he has no dignity or pride

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Tue 25 Nov 2014 12:53 pm

topten wrote:
Groucho wrote:Nigel Farage has about as much gravitas as Roy Chubby Brown - can't see a mighty oak springing from any of his genes.
How can you say he as no dignity, has Cameron ? and as for Clegg he has no dignity or pride

Two wrongs don't make a right - never have - never will.

BTW Gravitas does not only mean dignity - that would be dignitas another of the Roman virtues. Gravitas has to do with the dignity of seriousness and weight of mental acuity.

Do you really believe that Nigel Farage is a heavy-weight thinker? Again I'm not saying that I think David Cameron is, so please don't interpret a critique of one to infer that I think the opposite of the other.

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Tue 25 Nov 2014 9:38 pm

I have read the UKIP policies and to be honest they look ok to me.

Most people are sick to the back teeth with British politics over the last 30yrs or so and most people I speak to want a change and only UKIP appear to offer that.

The hideous Labour party will not even give an inch on the EU and the Tories are just playing with words and when push comes to shove they will crap themselves and bottle out in 2017.
Anyone voting Labour or Tory next may are voting for more of the same for the next 5 years,.... is that what people want.... I don't think so.

Take a look at the UKIP policies and make your own mind up ?..... http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

MoonageDaydream · Post by **MoonageDaydream** » Wed 26 Nov 2014 4:42 pm

...well anyone COULD be be Prime Minister, but as for Farage being different - well look at his background: wealthy dad, top public school, then worked in the City, sounds pretty similar to Cameron and Clegg to me! (and Miliband come to that - though he went to a state school)

And don't the British love their double standards eh? Pull the drawbridge up and stop the nasty foreigners coming to dear old Blighty while you all move to...errr North Cyprus!

And has anyone noticed how people from EU countries living in the UK are referred to as 'immigrants', but Brits in Cyprus, Spain and Portugal are referred to as 'expats?'

If Nige wins I hope you all go back in live in your precious 1950s Daily Mail Britain, I'll wave to you as I board the plane to Ercan!

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Wed 26 Nov 2014 4:53 pm

Excellent Post!

kaiserphil · Post by **kaiserphil** » Wed 26 Nov 2014 4:56 pm

" Brits in Cyprus, Spain and Portugal are referred to as 'expats".

And there I was thinking we were referred to as "foreigners".

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Wed 26 Nov 2014 5:10 pm

Actually, I'm moved to comment further: -

My friends and relatives in U.K. (obviously, and perhaps understandably, because they are in the 'Front Line') often refer in a disparaging tone to 'Asylum Seekers' as being responsible for, or implicated in, much 'small time' thievery and such like.

The recent incident involving a boat-load of refugees stranded off the TRNC coast provoked an entirely different, more humanitarian, response - at least, on this Forum.

It is easy to 'demonize' people that we don't know, and of whose circumstances we are ignorant, and it's also easy for those 'with an eye to the main chance' to make political capital' out of the situation.

Fortunately, I am not resident in U.K. but I do view Farage & Co. with some misgivings.

p.s....

kaiserphil wrote:" Brits in Cyprus, Spain and Portugal are referred to as 'expats".

And there I was thinking we were referred to as "foreigners".

Don't tell 'bigOz'

topten · Post by **topten** » Wed 26 Nov 2014 6:28 pm

MoonageDaydream wrote:...well anyone COULD be be Prime Minister, but as for Farage being different - well look at his background: wealthy dad, top public school, then worked in the City, sounds pretty similar to Cameron and Clegg to me! (and Miliband come to that - though he went to a state school)

And don't the British love their double standards eh? Pull the drawbridge up and stop the nasty foreigners coming to dear old Blighty while you all move to...errr North Cyprus!

And has anyone noticed how people from EU countries living in the UK are referred to as 'immigrants', but Brits in Cyprus, Spain and Portugal are referred to as 'expats?'

If Nige wins I hope you all go back in live in your precious 1950s Daily Mail Britain, I'll wave to you as I board the plane to Ercan!

Yes we have, in numbers come to the TRNC why? because we wanted a better life, the difference being we are "paying our way" no free hand outs no NHS if we are ill and need medical care we have to pay for it. Also we have to pay for the privilege to live here yearly. We purchased our home it wasn't given us, we didn't come over in the back of a lorry or any other devious way, and if we put a foot wrong we are quickly shown the door, and yes we do call ourselves expats but what the locals or government officials know us as is any ones guess, and probably a lot of people would go back to the UK if Farage gets in and keeps to his manifesto, and rids the UK of scroungers and people that are there illegally.

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Wed 26 Nov 2014 7:20 pm

Hi Topten, according to our passports most of us are still referred to as "visitors" after LIVING here for nearly 10 years!!!!

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Wed 26 Nov 2014 9:31 pm

MoonageDaydream wrote:...well anyone COULD be be Prime Minister, but as for Farage being different - well look at his background: wealthy dad, top public school, then worked in the City, sounds pretty similar to Cameron and Clegg to me! (and Miliband come to that - though he went to a state school)

And don't the British love their double standards eh? Pull the drawbridge up and stop the nasty foreigners coming to dear old Blighty while you all move to...errr North Cyprus!

And has anyone noticed how people from EU countries living in the UK are referred to as 'immigrants', but Brits in Cyprus, Spain and Portugal are referred to as 'expats?'

If Nige wins I hope you all go back in live in your precious 1950s Daily Mail Britain, I'll wave to you as I board the plane to Ercan!

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Wed 26 Nov 2014 9:35 pm

Sorry about the above post but i did type a lenghty reply but for some reason when i type on my pad the app seems to delete it all ??
I can't be bothered to type it again ...sigh

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Thu 27 Nov 2014 12:55 am

Keithcaley wrote: ....Fortunately, I am not resident in U.K. but I do view Farage & Co. with some misgivings....

I am resident in the UK, and Farage & Co. terrify me....
To quote, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel (Samuel Johnson); Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious (Oscar Wilde)..... and megalomaniacs and would-be dictators.....
"We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU..." - including those which benefit ordinary people?
"We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation..." - whether there are objections or not? See "Dictator".....
While Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrats all have their failings, only "UKIP" fill me with fear, abhorrence and trepidation, and whoever gains my vote, it will be a vote AGAINST UKIP, and nothing else.
As for any and all who now live outside Britain, consider carefully UKIP's proclaimed concerns - these are supposedly for those who live in Britain - so how will "expats" be treated....?
Be careful what you wish for....

Makum · Post by **Makum** » Thu 27 Nov 2014 6:05 am

Top ten you have hit the nail firmly on the head, although many of us expat types who now grace this once jewel in the Med, and have been away from the UK for numbers of years fail to realise is the changes that have taken place in the Uk due to labours open door immigration policy.
I for one have witnessed the strain on the local community, the NHS unable to cope, schools unable to communicate with pupils due the language barrier, and goverments answer is to sweep it under the carpet. These problems need to tackled head on , and at least UKIP have seen the problem.
As for patriotism, Jofra, can't see a problem, look arround you here, more flags waving here than there was at Waterloo, and if UKIP frighten you , keep close eye on the islamification mission creep from mother Turkey, the trail of loudspeakers from the the local mosque gets longer every day, so they may be more than a few of us waving you goodbye, there are non so blind as those who wish not to see.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Thu 27 Nov 2014 3:14 pm

Sorry; to clarify -
to repeat, "I am resident in the UK......", so I am referring to the (pseudo) patriotism displayed here in the UK for political gain, not the patriotism displayed by those living around the world, but still proud of their place of birth.
As to the "islamification mission creep", I am not there to see this on the island, but by reading and viewing as much as possible from around the world, I am aware of what is happening - I am not blind, I do wish to see (and I don't have dark glasses on!)
And if "more than a few of you" are moving, perhaps you mean you will be waving me hello......

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Thu 27 Nov 2014 7:26 pm

When ever you come across either a discussion or an internet debate about UKIP I only see much criticism of the party, the usual target criticism of people or the party in general can someone come on and give us all some facts & figures as to why we should not vote for UKIP ?
This is a bigger issue that just immigration and the lack of control of our borders its about the total mismanagement of the country in general by both Labour and the Tories.... are people really happy with how our country performs and looks after the people that reside here ?

So come on why should we not vote UKIP.

PapaBravo · Post by **PapaBravo** » Fri 28 Nov 2014 12:19 pm

As a former Conservative supporter, I now support UKIP, largely because I do not trust any of the major political parties in the UK.

Of course I don't know what would happen in the UK if UKIP were empowered, but could it really be worse than that which is foisted upon the British public by the current crop of politicians?

I fully accept that UKIP politicians are far from perfect and some will have skeletons in their cupboards, but the politicians in the main parties are hardly beyond reproach either.

I firmly believe the UK would be better outside the EU and it seems that only UKIP offers this possibility - I have no confidence that Cameron will honour his pledge to provide a 'fair' referendum on the issue in 2017.

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Fri 28 Nov 2014 1:16 pm

PapaBravo wrote:I fully accept that UKIP politicians are far from perfect and some will have skeletons in their cupboards....

That will be the remains of the slaves....

PapaBravo · Post by **PapaBravo** » Fri 28 Nov 2014 1:24 pm

Groucho,

That will be the remains of the slaves....

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