Is there a difference in gas bottles?

muffin · Post by **muffin** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 2:57 pm

At present there is a shortage of the blue bottled gas (Intergas) however the green bottles are obtainable (Jetgas). Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the types of gas?

harita · Post by **harita** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 3:13 pm

Seem to remember .. Blue & green are the same .. It's the red that is different ..

Deniz1 · Post by **Deniz1** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 3:18 pm

All blue ones in Erdener yesterday no green.

davidthomas · Post by **davidthomas** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 3:20 pm

Blue is Butane and green is propane.

WotNoDeeds · Post by **WotNoDeeds** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 3:46 pm

http://www.avantigas.com/propane-butane/

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 4:19 pm

colour coding of gas bottles here (TRNC) is to denote the owner of the bottle (Blue-Intergas, Green-Jetgas) there is no difference in the gas inside. Just one more thing where the EU standards do no apply.

karmels · Post by **karmels** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 4:28 pm

WotNoDeeds.

Why publish a web site from the UK, if you look on the neck of the bottle it will tell you the % of each gas that is inside.
As Waddo has already pointed out there is no EU regs here.

WotNoDeeds · Post by **WotNoDeeds** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 4:58 pm

The object of the website was to point out the differences between the gases Butane and propane no great conspiracy theory karmels if you're looking for an online argument karmels look somewhere else as I have better things to do.

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 5:02 pm

The gas we have here is a butane propane blend I believe, 80% butane which has a boiling point of -2 degrees Celcius. This is why you may get poor performance from gas heating and cooking if your bottles are outdoors and we are getting close to those temps. All LPG is the same blend here. In the UK you tend to use propane for outdoors and butane indoors

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 5:20 pm

Thank you for that Jonnie! I thought I was going bonkers as the gas does seem to behave differently at different times. Since the cold weather it does seem to be less effective.

sparky71 · Post by **sparky71** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 6:24 pm

We have had trouble with a portable heater using the green bottles and now only use the blue bottles and they have actually gone down in price in Erdener, now 37TL.

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 8:14 pm

I think all gas has gone down, LPG from Jetgaz last April 2.26tl a litre. December 2.06tl and last Thursday 2.03tl. Good news, but for how long?

karmels · Post by **karmels** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 11:00 pm

WotNoDeeds.
WOW, what a reply??
If I needed any form of confrontation I would have booked it first.
BUT if this is not good enough come round and we can talk about the subject???
I rest my case.

karmels · Post by **karmels** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 11:18 pm

Jonnie.
You are quite correct, the gas has always been a mixture even when we had to get it from the South, our tankers would go to the border and leave the tanker and collect a full tanker to deliver to JET gas as this is the Government outlet.
The new player is Intergaz which also has to buy it's gas from the Government, just like the petrol stations.
Now we have our own gas terminal out side Famagusta for delivery by ship.
For those how have made the comment that it is liquid gas delivered, Google liquid gas, it needs to be kept at over minus 1000c maybe a lot lower. The delivery wagon is not able to do this, so you are receiving GAS which is pumped into your tank. As the liquid gas get warm it expands back to gas, if they filled the wagon with liquid it would be a bomb after 10 minutes.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Mon 12 Jan 2015 11:45 pm

"...The object of the website was to point out the differences between the gases Butane and propane..."
"...All LPG is the same blend here. In the UK you tend to use propane for outdoors and butane indoors..."
Just to clear - or muddy - the waters still further, as one of those despised and reviled caravanners here in the UK, I can explain that propane is indeed more popular/effective in cooler temperatures; however, either can be used here with camping/caravan/home gas appliances because each requires and is used with an appropriate regulator, and as a result the appliance being used does not usually give a **** which gas is being fed into it - it just works as required.....
(and this is said with over twenty years' experience - I haven't blown myself up once!)

Deniz1 · Post by **Deniz1** » Tue 13 Jan 2015 6:56 am

I dont know why but over the years I have noticed that the blue ones seem to run out quicker than the green ones odd if they contain the same amount.

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Tue 13 Jan 2015 9:25 am

karmels wrote:Jonnie.
You are quite correct, the gas has always been a mixture even when we had to get it from the South, our tankers would go to the border and leave the tanker and collect a full tanker to deliver to JET gas as this is the Government outlet.
The new player is Intergaz which also has to buy it's gas from the Government, just like the petrol stations.
Now we have our own gas terminal out side Famagusta for delivery by ship.
For those how have made the comment that it is liquid gas delivered, Google liquid gas, it needs to be kept at over minus 1000c maybe a lot lower. The delivery wagon is not able to do this, so you are receiving GAS which is pumped into your tank. As the liquid gas get warm it expands back to gas, if they filled the wagon with liquid it would be a bomb after 10 minutes.

Not sure where you get "minus 1000c" from. The boiling point of Butane is around -2, not sure at what pressure but the pressure in the cylinders are not that high.

muffin · Post by **muffin** » Tue 13 Jan 2015 9:47 am

Thank you to all who replied. Have yet to try the green bottle in our gas heater but will post again if we have problems with it. Hopefully not!

Shell232 · Post by **Shell232** » Tue 13 Jan 2015 10:09 am

Where is the best place to buy the blue bottles in Girne / Ozankoy area and the price please?

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Tue 13 Jan 2015 10:17 am

I'm with Jonnie regarding the temperature, if you look here, you will see that absolute zero is taken as −273.15° on the Celsius scale - you can't get any colder than that, so I'm afraid that -1000°C is an impossibility!

Also, I took karmel's advice and Googled it (as is my want ) and discovered that the gas pressure over the surface of LIQUID petroleum gas in a steel tank equates to about 32psi (about the same as your car tyres!) for butane at 20 °C, rising to 320 psi for pure propane at 55 °C.

The delivery wagon is obviously quite capable of containing these pressures, as it DOES deliver LIQUID gas - a couple of hundred litres of actual 'gas' wouldn't last very long at all, you'd barely get a good fried breakfast out of it

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Tue 13 Jan 2015 10:23 am

Shell232 wrote:Where is the best place to buy the blue bottles in Girne / Ozankoy area and the price please?

As far as I know almost any supermarket will stock it.

Not sure of the current price for the small bottles, but the price is regulated by the TRNC government, so it doesn't matter where you buy it from.

Intergaz etc. do deliver for a small charge, they're the lorries with flags on each corner, and the large sign that says 'Tehlikeli Madde' (Hazardous Material) - do NOT be tempted to play chicken with them, or you'll end up as roasted chicken

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